Why is the design of haulage companies so “special”? The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are InIs it appropriate to use lower quality design to make a product look cheap?What special requirements need to be considered for outdoor banners?Meaning of logos for companies/organisationsWhat should a designer consider when deciding on the print size of promotional materials?“Most popular package” pricing designIs it appropriate to use lower quality design to make a product look cheap?Is there a thing such as “too good” of a design?The graphic design theory behind the landing pageShould a logo be design for a brands consumer specifically, Or for wider society?Dark UI Design: Why tint the gray colors with a different (primary) color?Why large companies never use flat design?

JSON.serialize: is it possible to suppress null values of a map?

Where does the "burst of radiance" from Holy Weapon originate?

I looked up a future colleague on LinkedIn before I started a job. I told my colleague about it and he seemed surprised. Should I apologize?

How are circuits which use complex ICs normally simulated?

How to manage monthly salary

Does a dangling wire really electrocute me if I'm standing in water?

What does "sndry explns" mean in one of the Hitchhiker's guide books?

"Riffle" two strings

Can distinct morphisms between curves induce the same morphism on singular cohomology?

Are USB sockets on wall outlets live all the time, even when the switch is off?

Is this food a bread or a loaf?

Realistic Alternatives to Dust: What Else Could Feed a Plankton Bloom?

How can I fix this gap between bookcases I made?

What is this 4-propeller plane?

Understanding the implication of what "well-defined" means for the operation in quotient group

Is there a name of the flying bionic bird?

I see my dog run

What do hard-Brexiteers want with respect to the Irish border?

What does Linus Torvalds mean when he says that Git "never ever" tracks a file?

Falsification in Math vs Science

Why could you hear an Amstrad CPC working?

A poker game description that does not feel gimmicky

How come people say “Would of”?

Is flight data recorder erased after every flight?



Why is the design of haulage companies so “special”?



The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are InIs it appropriate to use lower quality design to make a product look cheap?What special requirements need to be considered for outdoor banners?Meaning of logos for companies/organisationsWhat should a designer consider when deciding on the print size of promotional materials?“Most popular package” pricing designIs it appropriate to use lower quality design to make a product look cheap?Is there a thing such as “too good” of a design?The graphic design theory behind the landing pageShould a logo be design for a brands consumer specifically, Or for wider society?Dark UI Design: Why tint the gray colors with a different (primary) color?Why large companies never use flat design?










18















Background



Passing one of Germany’s largest cargo stations on a daily basis, I noticed that the design of lorries is quite different from most regular design.
To be frank, it usually strikes me as rather bad.
Recurring features contributing to this impression include:



  • low readability, either due to the chosen typeface or backgrounds;

  • shadow effects;

  • clunky, indistinctive typefaces;

  • excessive use of all caps or small caps;

  • overly tight or wide letter-spacing;

  • a general retro feel (1990s, if I am not mistaken).

There are occasional exceptions from this, but the general trend is striking.



Question



What are the reasons behind these peculiarities of the design of haulage companies? For example:



  • Are there any practical reasons for these choices?


  • Are these designs aimed at a particular kind of customer (of the cargo companies)?


  • Is it a case of intentional cheap design? If yes, why?


  • If it is just (unintentional) cheap design, why is this an economic choice? I would expect that if this is a relevant means of acquiring customers, the design would be better. On the other hand, if it is not, I would expect the design being completely home-made¹ or the space being used for advertisement.


If it makes any difference, I am asking about Central Europe here.



¹ which could explain some cases, but seems unlikely for some of them



Examples



Note that most of the following examples were obtained via a trapezoid transform and may not have an exact aspect ratio.



Example 1



Example 2



Example 3



Example 4



Example 5



Example 6



Example 7



Images adapted from the following sources:
1,
2,
3,
4,
5,
6,
7.










share|improve this question

















  • 5





    A '90s feel, yes, but to me, some of them have an 18 90s feel.

    – Mark
    yesterday







  • 5





    Their design is not changing and permanent - as any identification should be. The question is not "why they don't change their id?". The real question is "why so many other companies are fashion victims and spend millions into basically throwing their hard-earned brand recognition away?"

    – Agent_L
    yesterday











  • Counting from the top, 2-5 actually look pretty decent to me. Not quite the latest trend, but not really an "outdated" feel either.

    – Vilx-
    14 hours ago















18















Background



Passing one of Germany’s largest cargo stations on a daily basis, I noticed that the design of lorries is quite different from most regular design.
To be frank, it usually strikes me as rather bad.
Recurring features contributing to this impression include:



  • low readability, either due to the chosen typeface or backgrounds;

  • shadow effects;

  • clunky, indistinctive typefaces;

  • excessive use of all caps or small caps;

  • overly tight or wide letter-spacing;

  • a general retro feel (1990s, if I am not mistaken).

There are occasional exceptions from this, but the general trend is striking.



Question



What are the reasons behind these peculiarities of the design of haulage companies? For example:



  • Are there any practical reasons for these choices?


  • Are these designs aimed at a particular kind of customer (of the cargo companies)?


  • Is it a case of intentional cheap design? If yes, why?


  • If it is just (unintentional) cheap design, why is this an economic choice? I would expect that if this is a relevant means of acquiring customers, the design would be better. On the other hand, if it is not, I would expect the design being completely home-made¹ or the space being used for advertisement.


If it makes any difference, I am asking about Central Europe here.



¹ which could explain some cases, but seems unlikely for some of them



Examples



Note that most of the following examples were obtained via a trapezoid transform and may not have an exact aspect ratio.



Example 1



Example 2



Example 3



Example 4



Example 5



Example 6



Example 7



Images adapted from the following sources:
1,
2,
3,
4,
5,
6,
7.










share|improve this question

















  • 5





    A '90s feel, yes, but to me, some of them have an 18 90s feel.

    – Mark
    yesterday







  • 5





    Their design is not changing and permanent - as any identification should be. The question is not "why they don't change their id?". The real question is "why so many other companies are fashion victims and spend millions into basically throwing their hard-earned brand recognition away?"

    – Agent_L
    yesterday











  • Counting from the top, 2-5 actually look pretty decent to me. Not quite the latest trend, but not really an "outdated" feel either.

    – Vilx-
    14 hours ago













18












18








18


1






Background



Passing one of Germany’s largest cargo stations on a daily basis, I noticed that the design of lorries is quite different from most regular design.
To be frank, it usually strikes me as rather bad.
Recurring features contributing to this impression include:



  • low readability, either due to the chosen typeface or backgrounds;

  • shadow effects;

  • clunky, indistinctive typefaces;

  • excessive use of all caps or small caps;

  • overly tight or wide letter-spacing;

  • a general retro feel (1990s, if I am not mistaken).

There are occasional exceptions from this, but the general trend is striking.



Question



What are the reasons behind these peculiarities of the design of haulage companies? For example:



  • Are there any practical reasons for these choices?


  • Are these designs aimed at a particular kind of customer (of the cargo companies)?


  • Is it a case of intentional cheap design? If yes, why?


  • If it is just (unintentional) cheap design, why is this an economic choice? I would expect that if this is a relevant means of acquiring customers, the design would be better. On the other hand, if it is not, I would expect the design being completely home-made¹ or the space being used for advertisement.


If it makes any difference, I am asking about Central Europe here.



¹ which could explain some cases, but seems unlikely for some of them



Examples



Note that most of the following examples were obtained via a trapezoid transform and may not have an exact aspect ratio.



Example 1



Example 2



Example 3



Example 4



Example 5



Example 6



Example 7



Images adapted from the following sources:
1,
2,
3,
4,
5,
6,
7.










share|improve this question














Background



Passing one of Germany’s largest cargo stations on a daily basis, I noticed that the design of lorries is quite different from most regular design.
To be frank, it usually strikes me as rather bad.
Recurring features contributing to this impression include:



  • low readability, either due to the chosen typeface or backgrounds;

  • shadow effects;

  • clunky, indistinctive typefaces;

  • excessive use of all caps or small caps;

  • overly tight or wide letter-spacing;

  • a general retro feel (1990s, if I am not mistaken).

There are occasional exceptions from this, but the general trend is striking.



Question



What are the reasons behind these peculiarities of the design of haulage companies? For example:



  • Are there any practical reasons for these choices?


  • Are these designs aimed at a particular kind of customer (of the cargo companies)?


  • Is it a case of intentional cheap design? If yes, why?


  • If it is just (unintentional) cheap design, why is this an economic choice? I would expect that if this is a relevant means of acquiring customers, the design would be better. On the other hand, if it is not, I would expect the design being completely home-made¹ or the space being used for advertisement.


If it makes any difference, I am asking about Central Europe here.



¹ which could explain some cases, but seems unlikely for some of them



Examples



Note that most of the following examples were obtained via a trapezoid transform and may not have an exact aspect ratio.



Example 1



Example 2



Example 3



Example 4



Example 5



Example 6



Example 7



Images adapted from the following sources:
1,
2,
3,
4,
5,
6,
7.







design-principles marketing






share|improve this question













share|improve this question











share|improve this question




share|improve this question










asked 2 days ago









WrzlprmftWrzlprmft

11.1k44576




11.1k44576







  • 5





    A '90s feel, yes, but to me, some of them have an 18 90s feel.

    – Mark
    yesterday







  • 5





    Their design is not changing and permanent - as any identification should be. The question is not "why they don't change their id?". The real question is "why so many other companies are fashion victims and spend millions into basically throwing their hard-earned brand recognition away?"

    – Agent_L
    yesterday











  • Counting from the top, 2-5 actually look pretty decent to me. Not quite the latest trend, but not really an "outdated" feel either.

    – Vilx-
    14 hours ago












  • 5





    A '90s feel, yes, but to me, some of them have an 18 90s feel.

    – Mark
    yesterday







  • 5





    Their design is not changing and permanent - as any identification should be. The question is not "why they don't change their id?". The real question is "why so many other companies are fashion victims and spend millions into basically throwing their hard-earned brand recognition away?"

    – Agent_L
    yesterday











  • Counting from the top, 2-5 actually look pretty decent to me. Not quite the latest trend, but not really an "outdated" feel either.

    – Vilx-
    14 hours ago







5




5





A '90s feel, yes, but to me, some of them have an 18 90s feel.

– Mark
yesterday






A '90s feel, yes, but to me, some of them have an 18 90s feel.

– Mark
yesterday





5




5





Their design is not changing and permanent - as any identification should be. The question is not "why they don't change their id?". The real question is "why so many other companies are fashion victims and spend millions into basically throwing their hard-earned brand recognition away?"

– Agent_L
yesterday





Their design is not changing and permanent - as any identification should be. The question is not "why they don't change their id?". The real question is "why so many other companies are fashion victims and spend millions into basically throwing their hard-earned brand recognition away?"

– Agent_L
yesterday













Counting from the top, 2-5 actually look pretty decent to me. Not quite the latest trend, but not really an "outdated" feel either.

– Vilx-
14 hours ago





Counting from the top, 2-5 actually look pretty decent to me. Not quite the latest trend, but not really an "outdated" feel either.

– Vilx-
14 hours ago










5 Answers
5






active

oldest

votes


















24














Your images contain lorries which belong to companies (or to their long-time subcontractors) which have established their position a long time ago. Wayback Machine showed the same logos and texts in 15 years old webpages. I guess they have no need to run after design trends. The opposite: Stability can be considered as reliability (= We do our job. So there has ever been and ever will be!)



A company (or its subcontractors) have tens or hundreds lorries on the road and they stay there several years. I cannot see any reason why their graphic designs should be different if the company aims to look out big and stable.



A newspaper can change its design more often because quite few watches yesterday's newspapers.






share|improve this answer




















  • 10





    Also a newspaper is remade every day, they could change the logo daily with no extra penalty. A lorry takes time to re brand, its then out of service and incurs a cost. Transport companies are very cost senitive

    – joojaa
    2 days ago











  • Also the tarpaulin is made by a third company and they offer free "branding". Because they are in tarpaulin business person who made the branding is usually the same who print it and assemble it. So they only have default graphic program, no special design knowledge and most important, no time to make it with all the rules and timeless.

    – SZCZERZO KŁY
    yesterday


















12














Some of these companies are very old family operated, some even tracing back to the second world war or before. Such 'static' companies that are not sold every 5 years to somebody else in the gulf don't need to update their branding every so often and they're not particularly interested in marketing their business. Transport is a long term solid business and they probably get long term contracts which makes marketing not very important to their steady income.



Also, transport business is very open to frequent variation in taxes, fuel price, maintenance and employee demands, so they probably have alot of unpredictable expenses and to keep their profits some may decide to not invest in marketing.






share|improve this answer


















  • 2





    Maybe "the exception proves the rule", but one truck business in the UK markets its brand name to the level of having its own fan club. stobartclubandshop.co.uk The group's decision to give every vehicle in the fleet a personal name makes "Stobart truck spotting" a hobby comparable with train spotting.

    – alephzero
    yesterday


















6














Many answers come to my mind, here are some:



1st – The world of trucking is not at the top of trending in design, I suppose there isn't a great effort to develop a revolutionary graphic image.




2nd – In case of promoting the transport service, the graphic may be ephemeral, only announces the transporting company. The product to be transported can provide its own graphic and impose its inclusion in the trailer.



enter image description here




3rd – If they are promoting the product they transport, the graphic varies (and improves) a lot because may come from the product design team. The image of the product and the company is at stake. In touristic and city buses there are excellent graphics when they don't promote the service but a product.



enter image description here




4th – The trucks are usually from independent drivers and they offer their services to different distribution companies, as far as I know there are no fleets of trucks as in the airlines, so the graphic changes quite regularly. They are usually vinyl superimposed on the trailers.




5th – It's an ephemeral advertising, in a route will not be seen, unless you travel in the opposite direction and see a truck passing by at low speed or stopped at a road break. It's not a static billboard or a screen. Except the small delivery trucks that roam the big cities. In this last case they don't usually promote the transport agency but the product they transport, excepting the renting trucks companies.




6th – I don't know if there's any local type of regulation regarding the distraction in the route, particularly once I was about to have an accident following a sunglasses advertisement on the back of a bus.




7th – On the other hand, at commercial level there's a sub-design style used as a claim. Such is the case of empty billboards calling advertising agencies to promote their products in those places using:




  • horror vacui: leaving a lot of blank that perceptively invites to fill that space with an add


  • bad design: indicating that any other design will look much better in this place

That's the case of any image at the question and more directly the examples with telephone number and web site (1 & 6).



Advertise here






share|improve this answer




















  • 4





    "as far as I know there are no fleets of trucks …" There certainly are in the UK. For example Eddie Stobart Logistics runs a fleet of about 2000 trucks and 3500 trailers. They have changed the fleet livery within the last 10 years - see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Stobart_Logistics for "before and after" pictures.

    – alephzero
    yesterday











  • I didn't know that, I'm quite far from uk 😉

    – Danielillo
    yesterday






  • 1





    You might see one in Barcelona - they certainly operate in Europe, though mostly on routes through the Benelux countries to the Czech republic, Romania, Bulgaria, etc.

    – alephzero
    yesterday











  • Wha tis the effect you used to greek the phone number and other data on that last photo? Looks very good.

    – Vincent
    yesterday






  • 2





    Dust & Scratches

    – Danielillo
    yesterday


















3














Not only the design, also the material on which it is printed is used as long as possible. In contrast to marketing consumer products, there is not much money left to waste on unnecessary expenses.






share|improve this answer








New contributor




Radio Controlled is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.



























    3














    I would suggest that the question here is more a matter of opinion than anything objective.



    To go through the list:



    "low readability, either due to the chosen typeface or backgrounds;"
    With the exception of the first example (text too small) and Waberer's (difficult to read typeface), they all look perfectly readable to be. But note that more than being text, it is a logo. It's more important to be recognisable than readable: the logo needs to stick in people's minds, maybe they can work out what it actually says the next time they see it.



    "shadow effects;"
    There's nothing inherently wrong with this.



    "clunky, indistinctive typefaces;"
    This is basically the same as the first point, but it's also worth mentioning that a typeface being readable is often at odds with it being distinctive.



    "excessive use of all caps or small caps;"
    Modern design has excessive use of all lowercase. I can just as easily give my opinion that all lowercase is bad design. As you can see this is subjective and simply down to what's trendy.



    "overly tight or wide letter-spacing;"
    This is much like the previous point. All the examples look fine on this to me (again perhaps except for the first), perhaps modern design just has a minimal variety on this front.



    "a general retro feel (the 1990s, if I am not mistaken)."
    If it worked well in the '90s, there's no reason it can't work in the 2010s, 2020s or any other decade.



    So in conclusion: I entirely agree that it's different - and others have explained why (the designs will have been created a few decades ago) - but there is in general nothing about it that is objectively bad. (Personally, I'm old fashioned and I love these old designs, and modern graphic design drives me up the wall in the same way these old designs appear bad to the OP.)






    share|improve this answer










    New contributor




    Keiji is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
    Check out our Code of Conduct.




















      Your Answer








      StackExchange.ready(function()
      var channelOptions =
      tags: "".split(" "),
      id: "174"
      ;
      initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

      StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
      // Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
      if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
      StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
      createEditor();
      );

      else
      createEditor();

      );

      function createEditor()
      StackExchange.prepareEditor(
      heartbeatType: 'answer',
      autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
      convertImagesToLinks: false,
      noModals: true,
      showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
      reputationToPostImages: null,
      bindNavPrevention: true,
      postfix: "",
      imageUploader:
      brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
      contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
      allowUrls: true
      ,
      onDemand: true,
      discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
      ,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
      );



      );













      draft saved

      draft discarded


















      StackExchange.ready(
      function ()
      StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fgraphicdesign.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f122306%2fwhy-is-the-design-of-haulage-companies-so-special%23new-answer', 'question_page');

      );

      Post as a guest















      Required, but never shown

























      5 Answers
      5






      active

      oldest

      votes








      5 Answers
      5






      active

      oldest

      votes









      active

      oldest

      votes






      active

      oldest

      votes









      24














      Your images contain lorries which belong to companies (or to their long-time subcontractors) which have established their position a long time ago. Wayback Machine showed the same logos and texts in 15 years old webpages. I guess they have no need to run after design trends. The opposite: Stability can be considered as reliability (= We do our job. So there has ever been and ever will be!)



      A company (or its subcontractors) have tens or hundreds lorries on the road and they stay there several years. I cannot see any reason why their graphic designs should be different if the company aims to look out big and stable.



      A newspaper can change its design more often because quite few watches yesterday's newspapers.






      share|improve this answer




















      • 10





        Also a newspaper is remade every day, they could change the logo daily with no extra penalty. A lorry takes time to re brand, its then out of service and incurs a cost. Transport companies are very cost senitive

        – joojaa
        2 days ago











      • Also the tarpaulin is made by a third company and they offer free "branding". Because they are in tarpaulin business person who made the branding is usually the same who print it and assemble it. So they only have default graphic program, no special design knowledge and most important, no time to make it with all the rules and timeless.

        – SZCZERZO KŁY
        yesterday















      24














      Your images contain lorries which belong to companies (or to their long-time subcontractors) which have established their position a long time ago. Wayback Machine showed the same logos and texts in 15 years old webpages. I guess they have no need to run after design trends. The opposite: Stability can be considered as reliability (= We do our job. So there has ever been and ever will be!)



      A company (or its subcontractors) have tens or hundreds lorries on the road and they stay there several years. I cannot see any reason why their graphic designs should be different if the company aims to look out big and stable.



      A newspaper can change its design more often because quite few watches yesterday's newspapers.






      share|improve this answer




















      • 10





        Also a newspaper is remade every day, they could change the logo daily with no extra penalty. A lorry takes time to re brand, its then out of service and incurs a cost. Transport companies are very cost senitive

        – joojaa
        2 days ago











      • Also the tarpaulin is made by a third company and they offer free "branding". Because they are in tarpaulin business person who made the branding is usually the same who print it and assemble it. So they only have default graphic program, no special design knowledge and most important, no time to make it with all the rules and timeless.

        – SZCZERZO KŁY
        yesterday













      24












      24








      24







      Your images contain lorries which belong to companies (or to their long-time subcontractors) which have established their position a long time ago. Wayback Machine showed the same logos and texts in 15 years old webpages. I guess they have no need to run after design trends. The opposite: Stability can be considered as reliability (= We do our job. So there has ever been and ever will be!)



      A company (or its subcontractors) have tens or hundreds lorries on the road and they stay there several years. I cannot see any reason why their graphic designs should be different if the company aims to look out big and stable.



      A newspaper can change its design more often because quite few watches yesterday's newspapers.






      share|improve this answer















      Your images contain lorries which belong to companies (or to their long-time subcontractors) which have established their position a long time ago. Wayback Machine showed the same logos and texts in 15 years old webpages. I guess they have no need to run after design trends. The opposite: Stability can be considered as reliability (= We do our job. So there has ever been and ever will be!)



      A company (or its subcontractors) have tens or hundreds lorries on the road and they stay there several years. I cannot see any reason why their graphic designs should be different if the company aims to look out big and stable.



      A newspaper can change its design more often because quite few watches yesterday's newspapers.







      share|improve this answer














      share|improve this answer



      share|improve this answer








      edited yesterday

























      answered 2 days ago









      user287001user287001

      23.9k21239




      23.9k21239







      • 10





        Also a newspaper is remade every day, they could change the logo daily with no extra penalty. A lorry takes time to re brand, its then out of service and incurs a cost. Transport companies are very cost senitive

        – joojaa
        2 days ago











      • Also the tarpaulin is made by a third company and they offer free "branding". Because they are in tarpaulin business person who made the branding is usually the same who print it and assemble it. So they only have default graphic program, no special design knowledge and most important, no time to make it with all the rules and timeless.

        – SZCZERZO KŁY
        yesterday












      • 10





        Also a newspaper is remade every day, they could change the logo daily with no extra penalty. A lorry takes time to re brand, its then out of service and incurs a cost. Transport companies are very cost senitive

        – joojaa
        2 days ago











      • Also the tarpaulin is made by a third company and they offer free "branding". Because they are in tarpaulin business person who made the branding is usually the same who print it and assemble it. So they only have default graphic program, no special design knowledge and most important, no time to make it with all the rules and timeless.

        – SZCZERZO KŁY
        yesterday







      10




      10





      Also a newspaper is remade every day, they could change the logo daily with no extra penalty. A lorry takes time to re brand, its then out of service and incurs a cost. Transport companies are very cost senitive

      – joojaa
      2 days ago





      Also a newspaper is remade every day, they could change the logo daily with no extra penalty. A lorry takes time to re brand, its then out of service and incurs a cost. Transport companies are very cost senitive

      – joojaa
      2 days ago













      Also the tarpaulin is made by a third company and they offer free "branding". Because they are in tarpaulin business person who made the branding is usually the same who print it and assemble it. So they only have default graphic program, no special design knowledge and most important, no time to make it with all the rules and timeless.

      – SZCZERZO KŁY
      yesterday





      Also the tarpaulin is made by a third company and they offer free "branding". Because they are in tarpaulin business person who made the branding is usually the same who print it and assemble it. So they only have default graphic program, no special design knowledge and most important, no time to make it with all the rules and timeless.

      – SZCZERZO KŁY
      yesterday











      12














      Some of these companies are very old family operated, some even tracing back to the second world war or before. Such 'static' companies that are not sold every 5 years to somebody else in the gulf don't need to update their branding every so often and they're not particularly interested in marketing their business. Transport is a long term solid business and they probably get long term contracts which makes marketing not very important to their steady income.



      Also, transport business is very open to frequent variation in taxes, fuel price, maintenance and employee demands, so they probably have alot of unpredictable expenses and to keep their profits some may decide to not invest in marketing.






      share|improve this answer


















      • 2





        Maybe "the exception proves the rule", but one truck business in the UK markets its brand name to the level of having its own fan club. stobartclubandshop.co.uk The group's decision to give every vehicle in the fleet a personal name makes "Stobart truck spotting" a hobby comparable with train spotting.

        – alephzero
        yesterday















      12














      Some of these companies are very old family operated, some even tracing back to the second world war or before. Such 'static' companies that are not sold every 5 years to somebody else in the gulf don't need to update their branding every so often and they're not particularly interested in marketing their business. Transport is a long term solid business and they probably get long term contracts which makes marketing not very important to their steady income.



      Also, transport business is very open to frequent variation in taxes, fuel price, maintenance and employee demands, so they probably have alot of unpredictable expenses and to keep their profits some may decide to not invest in marketing.






      share|improve this answer


















      • 2





        Maybe "the exception proves the rule", but one truck business in the UK markets its brand name to the level of having its own fan club. stobartclubandshop.co.uk The group's decision to give every vehicle in the fleet a personal name makes "Stobart truck spotting" a hobby comparable with train spotting.

        – alephzero
        yesterday













      12












      12








      12







      Some of these companies are very old family operated, some even tracing back to the second world war or before. Such 'static' companies that are not sold every 5 years to somebody else in the gulf don't need to update their branding every so often and they're not particularly interested in marketing their business. Transport is a long term solid business and they probably get long term contracts which makes marketing not very important to their steady income.



      Also, transport business is very open to frequent variation in taxes, fuel price, maintenance and employee demands, so they probably have alot of unpredictable expenses and to keep their profits some may decide to not invest in marketing.






      share|improve this answer













      Some of these companies are very old family operated, some even tracing back to the second world war or before. Such 'static' companies that are not sold every 5 years to somebody else in the gulf don't need to update their branding every so often and they're not particularly interested in marketing their business. Transport is a long term solid business and they probably get long term contracts which makes marketing not very important to their steady income.



      Also, transport business is very open to frequent variation in taxes, fuel price, maintenance and employee demands, so they probably have alot of unpredictable expenses and to keep their profits some may decide to not invest in marketing.







      share|improve this answer












      share|improve this answer



      share|improve this answer










      answered 2 days ago









      LucianLucian

      14.6k103264




      14.6k103264







      • 2





        Maybe "the exception proves the rule", but one truck business in the UK markets its brand name to the level of having its own fan club. stobartclubandshop.co.uk The group's decision to give every vehicle in the fleet a personal name makes "Stobart truck spotting" a hobby comparable with train spotting.

        – alephzero
        yesterday












      • 2





        Maybe "the exception proves the rule", but one truck business in the UK markets its brand name to the level of having its own fan club. stobartclubandshop.co.uk The group's decision to give every vehicle in the fleet a personal name makes "Stobart truck spotting" a hobby comparable with train spotting.

        – alephzero
        yesterday







      2




      2





      Maybe "the exception proves the rule", but one truck business in the UK markets its brand name to the level of having its own fan club. stobartclubandshop.co.uk The group's decision to give every vehicle in the fleet a personal name makes "Stobart truck spotting" a hobby comparable with train spotting.

      – alephzero
      yesterday





      Maybe "the exception proves the rule", but one truck business in the UK markets its brand name to the level of having its own fan club. stobartclubandshop.co.uk The group's decision to give every vehicle in the fleet a personal name makes "Stobart truck spotting" a hobby comparable with train spotting.

      – alephzero
      yesterday











      6














      Many answers come to my mind, here are some:



      1st – The world of trucking is not at the top of trending in design, I suppose there isn't a great effort to develop a revolutionary graphic image.




      2nd – In case of promoting the transport service, the graphic may be ephemeral, only announces the transporting company. The product to be transported can provide its own graphic and impose its inclusion in the trailer.



      enter image description here




      3rd – If they are promoting the product they transport, the graphic varies (and improves) a lot because may come from the product design team. The image of the product and the company is at stake. In touristic and city buses there are excellent graphics when they don't promote the service but a product.



      enter image description here




      4th – The trucks are usually from independent drivers and they offer their services to different distribution companies, as far as I know there are no fleets of trucks as in the airlines, so the graphic changes quite regularly. They are usually vinyl superimposed on the trailers.




      5th – It's an ephemeral advertising, in a route will not be seen, unless you travel in the opposite direction and see a truck passing by at low speed or stopped at a road break. It's not a static billboard or a screen. Except the small delivery trucks that roam the big cities. In this last case they don't usually promote the transport agency but the product they transport, excepting the renting trucks companies.




      6th – I don't know if there's any local type of regulation regarding the distraction in the route, particularly once I was about to have an accident following a sunglasses advertisement on the back of a bus.




      7th – On the other hand, at commercial level there's a sub-design style used as a claim. Such is the case of empty billboards calling advertising agencies to promote their products in those places using:




      • horror vacui: leaving a lot of blank that perceptively invites to fill that space with an add


      • bad design: indicating that any other design will look much better in this place

      That's the case of any image at the question and more directly the examples with telephone number and web site (1 & 6).



      Advertise here






      share|improve this answer




















      • 4





        "as far as I know there are no fleets of trucks …" There certainly are in the UK. For example Eddie Stobart Logistics runs a fleet of about 2000 trucks and 3500 trailers. They have changed the fleet livery within the last 10 years - see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Stobart_Logistics for "before and after" pictures.

        – alephzero
        yesterday











      • I didn't know that, I'm quite far from uk 😉

        – Danielillo
        yesterday






      • 1





        You might see one in Barcelona - they certainly operate in Europe, though mostly on routes through the Benelux countries to the Czech republic, Romania, Bulgaria, etc.

        – alephzero
        yesterday











      • Wha tis the effect you used to greek the phone number and other data on that last photo? Looks very good.

        – Vincent
        yesterday






      • 2





        Dust & Scratches

        – Danielillo
        yesterday















      6














      Many answers come to my mind, here are some:



      1st – The world of trucking is not at the top of trending in design, I suppose there isn't a great effort to develop a revolutionary graphic image.




      2nd – In case of promoting the transport service, the graphic may be ephemeral, only announces the transporting company. The product to be transported can provide its own graphic and impose its inclusion in the trailer.



      enter image description here




      3rd – If they are promoting the product they transport, the graphic varies (and improves) a lot because may come from the product design team. The image of the product and the company is at stake. In touristic and city buses there are excellent graphics when they don't promote the service but a product.



      enter image description here




      4th – The trucks are usually from independent drivers and they offer their services to different distribution companies, as far as I know there are no fleets of trucks as in the airlines, so the graphic changes quite regularly. They are usually vinyl superimposed on the trailers.




      5th – It's an ephemeral advertising, in a route will not be seen, unless you travel in the opposite direction and see a truck passing by at low speed or stopped at a road break. It's not a static billboard or a screen. Except the small delivery trucks that roam the big cities. In this last case they don't usually promote the transport agency but the product they transport, excepting the renting trucks companies.




      6th – I don't know if there's any local type of regulation regarding the distraction in the route, particularly once I was about to have an accident following a sunglasses advertisement on the back of a bus.




      7th – On the other hand, at commercial level there's a sub-design style used as a claim. Such is the case of empty billboards calling advertising agencies to promote their products in those places using:




      • horror vacui: leaving a lot of blank that perceptively invites to fill that space with an add


      • bad design: indicating that any other design will look much better in this place

      That's the case of any image at the question and more directly the examples with telephone number and web site (1 & 6).



      Advertise here






      share|improve this answer




















      • 4





        "as far as I know there are no fleets of trucks …" There certainly are in the UK. For example Eddie Stobart Logistics runs a fleet of about 2000 trucks and 3500 trailers. They have changed the fleet livery within the last 10 years - see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Stobart_Logistics for "before and after" pictures.

        – alephzero
        yesterday











      • I didn't know that, I'm quite far from uk 😉

        – Danielillo
        yesterday






      • 1





        You might see one in Barcelona - they certainly operate in Europe, though mostly on routes through the Benelux countries to the Czech republic, Romania, Bulgaria, etc.

        – alephzero
        yesterday











      • Wha tis the effect you used to greek the phone number and other data on that last photo? Looks very good.

        – Vincent
        yesterday






      • 2





        Dust & Scratches

        – Danielillo
        yesterday













      6












      6








      6







      Many answers come to my mind, here are some:



      1st – The world of trucking is not at the top of trending in design, I suppose there isn't a great effort to develop a revolutionary graphic image.




      2nd – In case of promoting the transport service, the graphic may be ephemeral, only announces the transporting company. The product to be transported can provide its own graphic and impose its inclusion in the trailer.



      enter image description here




      3rd – If they are promoting the product they transport, the graphic varies (and improves) a lot because may come from the product design team. The image of the product and the company is at stake. In touristic and city buses there are excellent graphics when they don't promote the service but a product.



      enter image description here




      4th – The trucks are usually from independent drivers and they offer their services to different distribution companies, as far as I know there are no fleets of trucks as in the airlines, so the graphic changes quite regularly. They are usually vinyl superimposed on the trailers.




      5th – It's an ephemeral advertising, in a route will not be seen, unless you travel in the opposite direction and see a truck passing by at low speed or stopped at a road break. It's not a static billboard or a screen. Except the small delivery trucks that roam the big cities. In this last case they don't usually promote the transport agency but the product they transport, excepting the renting trucks companies.




      6th – I don't know if there's any local type of regulation regarding the distraction in the route, particularly once I was about to have an accident following a sunglasses advertisement on the back of a bus.




      7th – On the other hand, at commercial level there's a sub-design style used as a claim. Such is the case of empty billboards calling advertising agencies to promote their products in those places using:




      • horror vacui: leaving a lot of blank that perceptively invites to fill that space with an add


      • bad design: indicating that any other design will look much better in this place

      That's the case of any image at the question and more directly the examples with telephone number and web site (1 & 6).



      Advertise here






      share|improve this answer















      Many answers come to my mind, here are some:



      1st – The world of trucking is not at the top of trending in design, I suppose there isn't a great effort to develop a revolutionary graphic image.




      2nd – In case of promoting the transport service, the graphic may be ephemeral, only announces the transporting company. The product to be transported can provide its own graphic and impose its inclusion in the trailer.



      enter image description here




      3rd – If they are promoting the product they transport, the graphic varies (and improves) a lot because may come from the product design team. The image of the product and the company is at stake. In touristic and city buses there are excellent graphics when they don't promote the service but a product.



      enter image description here




      4th – The trucks are usually from independent drivers and they offer their services to different distribution companies, as far as I know there are no fleets of trucks as in the airlines, so the graphic changes quite regularly. They are usually vinyl superimposed on the trailers.




      5th – It's an ephemeral advertising, in a route will not be seen, unless you travel in the opposite direction and see a truck passing by at low speed or stopped at a road break. It's not a static billboard or a screen. Except the small delivery trucks that roam the big cities. In this last case they don't usually promote the transport agency but the product they transport, excepting the renting trucks companies.




      6th – I don't know if there's any local type of regulation regarding the distraction in the route, particularly once I was about to have an accident following a sunglasses advertisement on the back of a bus.




      7th – On the other hand, at commercial level there's a sub-design style used as a claim. Such is the case of empty billboards calling advertising agencies to promote their products in those places using:




      • horror vacui: leaving a lot of blank that perceptively invites to fill that space with an add


      • bad design: indicating that any other design will look much better in this place

      That's the case of any image at the question and more directly the examples with telephone number and web site (1 & 6).



      Advertise here







      share|improve this answer














      share|improve this answer



      share|improve this answer








      edited yesterday

























      answered 2 days ago









      DanielilloDanielillo

      24k13479




      24k13479







      • 4





        "as far as I know there are no fleets of trucks …" There certainly are in the UK. For example Eddie Stobart Logistics runs a fleet of about 2000 trucks and 3500 trailers. They have changed the fleet livery within the last 10 years - see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Stobart_Logistics for "before and after" pictures.

        – alephzero
        yesterday











      • I didn't know that, I'm quite far from uk 😉

        – Danielillo
        yesterday






      • 1





        You might see one in Barcelona - they certainly operate in Europe, though mostly on routes through the Benelux countries to the Czech republic, Romania, Bulgaria, etc.

        – alephzero
        yesterday











      • Wha tis the effect you used to greek the phone number and other data on that last photo? Looks very good.

        – Vincent
        yesterday






      • 2





        Dust & Scratches

        – Danielillo
        yesterday












      • 4





        "as far as I know there are no fleets of trucks …" There certainly are in the UK. For example Eddie Stobart Logistics runs a fleet of about 2000 trucks and 3500 trailers. They have changed the fleet livery within the last 10 years - see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Stobart_Logistics for "before and after" pictures.

        – alephzero
        yesterday











      • I didn't know that, I'm quite far from uk 😉

        – Danielillo
        yesterday






      • 1





        You might see one in Barcelona - they certainly operate in Europe, though mostly on routes through the Benelux countries to the Czech republic, Romania, Bulgaria, etc.

        – alephzero
        yesterday











      • Wha tis the effect you used to greek the phone number and other data on that last photo? Looks very good.

        – Vincent
        yesterday






      • 2





        Dust & Scratches

        – Danielillo
        yesterday







      4




      4





      "as far as I know there are no fleets of trucks …" There certainly are in the UK. For example Eddie Stobart Logistics runs a fleet of about 2000 trucks and 3500 trailers. They have changed the fleet livery within the last 10 years - see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Stobart_Logistics for "before and after" pictures.

      – alephzero
      yesterday





      "as far as I know there are no fleets of trucks …" There certainly are in the UK. For example Eddie Stobart Logistics runs a fleet of about 2000 trucks and 3500 trailers. They have changed the fleet livery within the last 10 years - see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Stobart_Logistics for "before and after" pictures.

      – alephzero
      yesterday













      I didn't know that, I'm quite far from uk 😉

      – Danielillo
      yesterday





      I didn't know that, I'm quite far from uk 😉

      – Danielillo
      yesterday




      1




      1





      You might see one in Barcelona - they certainly operate in Europe, though mostly on routes through the Benelux countries to the Czech republic, Romania, Bulgaria, etc.

      – alephzero
      yesterday





      You might see one in Barcelona - they certainly operate in Europe, though mostly on routes through the Benelux countries to the Czech republic, Romania, Bulgaria, etc.

      – alephzero
      yesterday













      Wha tis the effect you used to greek the phone number and other data on that last photo? Looks very good.

      – Vincent
      yesterday





      Wha tis the effect you used to greek the phone number and other data on that last photo? Looks very good.

      – Vincent
      yesterday




      2




      2





      Dust & Scratches

      – Danielillo
      yesterday





      Dust & Scratches

      – Danielillo
      yesterday











      3














      Not only the design, also the material on which it is printed is used as long as possible. In contrast to marketing consumer products, there is not much money left to waste on unnecessary expenses.






      share|improve this answer








      New contributor




      Radio Controlled is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
      Check out our Code of Conduct.
























        3














        Not only the design, also the material on which it is printed is used as long as possible. In contrast to marketing consumer products, there is not much money left to waste on unnecessary expenses.






        share|improve this answer








        New contributor




        Radio Controlled is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
        Check out our Code of Conduct.






















          3












          3








          3







          Not only the design, also the material on which it is printed is used as long as possible. In contrast to marketing consumer products, there is not much money left to waste on unnecessary expenses.






          share|improve this answer








          New contributor




          Radio Controlled is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
          Check out our Code of Conduct.










          Not only the design, also the material on which it is printed is used as long as possible. In contrast to marketing consumer products, there is not much money left to waste on unnecessary expenses.







          share|improve this answer








          New contributor




          Radio Controlled is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
          Check out our Code of Conduct.









          share|improve this answer



          share|improve this answer






          New contributor




          Radio Controlled is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
          Check out our Code of Conduct.









          answered yesterday









          Radio ControlledRadio Controlled

          1311




          1311




          New contributor




          Radio Controlled is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
          Check out our Code of Conduct.





          New contributor





          Radio Controlled is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
          Check out our Code of Conduct.






          Radio Controlled is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
          Check out our Code of Conduct.





















              3














              I would suggest that the question here is more a matter of opinion than anything objective.



              To go through the list:



              "low readability, either due to the chosen typeface or backgrounds;"
              With the exception of the first example (text too small) and Waberer's (difficult to read typeface), they all look perfectly readable to be. But note that more than being text, it is a logo. It's more important to be recognisable than readable: the logo needs to stick in people's minds, maybe they can work out what it actually says the next time they see it.



              "shadow effects;"
              There's nothing inherently wrong with this.



              "clunky, indistinctive typefaces;"
              This is basically the same as the first point, but it's also worth mentioning that a typeface being readable is often at odds with it being distinctive.



              "excessive use of all caps or small caps;"
              Modern design has excessive use of all lowercase. I can just as easily give my opinion that all lowercase is bad design. As you can see this is subjective and simply down to what's trendy.



              "overly tight or wide letter-spacing;"
              This is much like the previous point. All the examples look fine on this to me (again perhaps except for the first), perhaps modern design just has a minimal variety on this front.



              "a general retro feel (the 1990s, if I am not mistaken)."
              If it worked well in the '90s, there's no reason it can't work in the 2010s, 2020s or any other decade.



              So in conclusion: I entirely agree that it's different - and others have explained why (the designs will have been created a few decades ago) - but there is in general nothing about it that is objectively bad. (Personally, I'm old fashioned and I love these old designs, and modern graphic design drives me up the wall in the same way these old designs appear bad to the OP.)






              share|improve this answer










              New contributor




              Keiji is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
              Check out our Code of Conduct.
























                3














                I would suggest that the question here is more a matter of opinion than anything objective.



                To go through the list:



                "low readability, either due to the chosen typeface or backgrounds;"
                With the exception of the first example (text too small) and Waberer's (difficult to read typeface), they all look perfectly readable to be. But note that more than being text, it is a logo. It's more important to be recognisable than readable: the logo needs to stick in people's minds, maybe they can work out what it actually says the next time they see it.



                "shadow effects;"
                There's nothing inherently wrong with this.



                "clunky, indistinctive typefaces;"
                This is basically the same as the first point, but it's also worth mentioning that a typeface being readable is often at odds with it being distinctive.



                "excessive use of all caps or small caps;"
                Modern design has excessive use of all lowercase. I can just as easily give my opinion that all lowercase is bad design. As you can see this is subjective and simply down to what's trendy.



                "overly tight or wide letter-spacing;"
                This is much like the previous point. All the examples look fine on this to me (again perhaps except for the first), perhaps modern design just has a minimal variety on this front.



                "a general retro feel (the 1990s, if I am not mistaken)."
                If it worked well in the '90s, there's no reason it can't work in the 2010s, 2020s or any other decade.



                So in conclusion: I entirely agree that it's different - and others have explained why (the designs will have been created a few decades ago) - but there is in general nothing about it that is objectively bad. (Personally, I'm old fashioned and I love these old designs, and modern graphic design drives me up the wall in the same way these old designs appear bad to the OP.)






                share|improve this answer










                New contributor




                Keiji is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                Check out our Code of Conduct.






















                  3












                  3








                  3







                  I would suggest that the question here is more a matter of opinion than anything objective.



                  To go through the list:



                  "low readability, either due to the chosen typeface or backgrounds;"
                  With the exception of the first example (text too small) and Waberer's (difficult to read typeface), they all look perfectly readable to be. But note that more than being text, it is a logo. It's more important to be recognisable than readable: the logo needs to stick in people's minds, maybe they can work out what it actually says the next time they see it.



                  "shadow effects;"
                  There's nothing inherently wrong with this.



                  "clunky, indistinctive typefaces;"
                  This is basically the same as the first point, but it's also worth mentioning that a typeface being readable is often at odds with it being distinctive.



                  "excessive use of all caps or small caps;"
                  Modern design has excessive use of all lowercase. I can just as easily give my opinion that all lowercase is bad design. As you can see this is subjective and simply down to what's trendy.



                  "overly tight or wide letter-spacing;"
                  This is much like the previous point. All the examples look fine on this to me (again perhaps except for the first), perhaps modern design just has a minimal variety on this front.



                  "a general retro feel (the 1990s, if I am not mistaken)."
                  If it worked well in the '90s, there's no reason it can't work in the 2010s, 2020s or any other decade.



                  So in conclusion: I entirely agree that it's different - and others have explained why (the designs will have been created a few decades ago) - but there is in general nothing about it that is objectively bad. (Personally, I'm old fashioned and I love these old designs, and modern graphic design drives me up the wall in the same way these old designs appear bad to the OP.)






                  share|improve this answer










                  New contributor




                  Keiji is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                  Check out our Code of Conduct.










                  I would suggest that the question here is more a matter of opinion than anything objective.



                  To go through the list:



                  "low readability, either due to the chosen typeface or backgrounds;"
                  With the exception of the first example (text too small) and Waberer's (difficult to read typeface), they all look perfectly readable to be. But note that more than being text, it is a logo. It's more important to be recognisable than readable: the logo needs to stick in people's minds, maybe they can work out what it actually says the next time they see it.



                  "shadow effects;"
                  There's nothing inherently wrong with this.



                  "clunky, indistinctive typefaces;"
                  This is basically the same as the first point, but it's also worth mentioning that a typeface being readable is often at odds with it being distinctive.



                  "excessive use of all caps or small caps;"
                  Modern design has excessive use of all lowercase. I can just as easily give my opinion that all lowercase is bad design. As you can see this is subjective and simply down to what's trendy.



                  "overly tight or wide letter-spacing;"
                  This is much like the previous point. All the examples look fine on this to me (again perhaps except for the first), perhaps modern design just has a minimal variety on this front.



                  "a general retro feel (the 1990s, if I am not mistaken)."
                  If it worked well in the '90s, there's no reason it can't work in the 2010s, 2020s or any other decade.



                  So in conclusion: I entirely agree that it's different - and others have explained why (the designs will have been created a few decades ago) - but there is in general nothing about it that is objectively bad. (Personally, I'm old fashioned and I love these old designs, and modern graphic design drives me up the wall in the same way these old designs appear bad to the OP.)







                  share|improve this answer










                  New contributor




                  Keiji is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                  Check out our Code of Conduct.









                  share|improve this answer



                  share|improve this answer








                  edited 11 hours ago









                  Ovaryraptor

                  4,53511429




                  4,53511429






                  New contributor




                  Keiji is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                  Check out our Code of Conduct.









                  answered 20 hours ago









                  KeijiKeiji

                  1311




                  1311




                  New contributor




                  Keiji is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                  Check out our Code of Conduct.





                  New contributor





                  Keiji is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                  Check out our Code of Conduct.






                  Keiji is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
                  Check out our Code of Conduct.



























                      draft saved

                      draft discarded
















































                      Thanks for contributing an answer to Graphic Design Stack Exchange!


                      • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

                      But avoid


                      • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

                      • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.

                      To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




                      draft saved


                      draft discarded














                      StackExchange.ready(
                      function ()
                      StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fgraphicdesign.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f122306%2fwhy-is-the-design-of-haulage-companies-so-special%23new-answer', 'question_page');

                      );

                      Post as a guest















                      Required, but never shown





















































                      Required, but never shown














                      Required, but never shown












                      Required, but never shown







                      Required, but never shown

































                      Required, but never shown














                      Required, but never shown












                      Required, but never shown







                      Required, but never shown







                      Popular posts from this blog

                      How to make RAID controller rescan devices The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are InLSI MegaRAID SAS 9261-8i: Disk isn't recognized after replacementHow to monitor the hard disk status behind Dell PERC H710 Raid Controller with CentOS 6?LSI MegaRAID - Recreate missing RAID 1 arrayext. 2-bay USB-Drive with RAID: btrfs RAID vs built-in RAIDInvalid SAS topologyDoes enabling JBOD mode on LSI based controllers affect existing logical disks/arrays?Why is there a shift between the WWN reported from the controller and the Linux system?Optimal RAID 6+0 Setup for 40+ 4TB DisksAccidental SAS cable removal

                      Куамањотепек (Чилапа де Алварез) Садржај Становништво Види још Референце Спољашње везе Мени за навигацију17°19′47″N 99°1′51″W / 17.32972° СГШ; 99.03083° ЗГД / 17.32972; -99.0308317°19′47″N 99°1′51″W / 17.32972° СГШ; 99.03083° ЗГД / 17.32972; -99.030838877656„Instituto Nacional de Estadística y Geografía”„The GeoNames geographical database”Мексичка насељапроширитиуу

                      Can the Right Ascension and Argument of Perigee of a spacecraft's orbit keep varying by themselves with time? The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are InHow is the altitude of a satellite defined, given that the Earth is not spherical?Why do satellites appear to move faster when overhead and slower closer to the horizon?For the mathematical relationship between J2 (km^5/s^2) and dimensionless J2 - which one is derived from the other?Why is Nodal precession affected by the rotational period of the planet?Why is it so difficult to predict the exact reentry location and time of a very low earth orbit object?Why are low earth orbit satellites not visible from the same place all the time?Perifocal coordinates and the orbit equationHow feasible is the Moonspike mission?What was the typical perigee after a shuttle de-orbit burn?I am having trouble calculating my classic orbital elements and am at a loss on where to lookAm I supposed to modify the gravitational constant with scale and why do fps & time scale changes cause my orbit to break?How Local time of a sun synchronous orbit is related to Right ascension of ascending node?What is wrong with my orbit sim equations? How can I fix them?How to obtain the initial positions and velocities of an inclined orbit?