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For what reasons would an animal species NOT cross a *horizontal* land bridge?
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In my worldbuilding project, 2 continents located on roughly the same latitude are connected by a land bridge. Both sides of the bridge are surrounded by a temperate grassland, and the lack of seasons means the climate is steady year round, so that rules out winter as an option.
The sentient aliens in my world, which I've been calling Not Humans, (very original) evolved on Continent A, and eventually spread out to Continent B across the land bridge where they found a species that wasn't present on Continent A. (Comparable in function to a horse) I haven't decided what the terrain is like on the bridge, but I would like to keep both sides of the bridge as grasslands if possible.
Why would these animals exist on only one side of the land bridge rather than both?
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In my worldbuilding project, 2 continents located on roughly the same latitude are connected by a land bridge. Both sides of the bridge are surrounded by a temperate grassland, and the lack of seasons means the climate is steady year round, so that rules out winter as an option.
The sentient aliens in my world, which I've been calling Not Humans, (very original) evolved on Continent A, and eventually spread out to Continent B across the land bridge where they found a species that wasn't present on Continent A. (Comparable in function to a horse) I haven't decided what the terrain is like on the bridge, but I would like to keep both sides of the bridge as grasslands if possible.
Why would these animals exist on only one side of the land bridge rather than both?
science-based biology xenobiology fauna travel
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"Temperate grassland" and "lack of seasons" are mutually incompatible. ("Temperate" means the standard four seasons.) And there are many kinds of terrain which horses cannot easily traverse; for example deserts (horses need an lot of water), terrain infested with the tsetse fly, dense forests, steep mountains, etc. To give an example, horses never crossed from the Eurasian grasslands into the African savannah until they were brought there by humans.
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Wait...I thought a landbridge is just a bridge made of land, ie a small strip of land, isn't it? Reading some of the other answers I am now confused. They seem to assume a man-made bridge.
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Quick question. How long has the land bridge been open for?
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I don't think food or predation are good answers because they just displace the question to a different level of the food chain, i.e. the question simply becomes why food or predators are unable to cross?
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In my worldbuilding project, 2 continents located on roughly the same latitude are connected by a land bridge. Both sides of the bridge are surrounded by a temperate grassland, and the lack of seasons means the climate is steady year round, so that rules out winter as an option.
The sentient aliens in my world, which I've been calling Not Humans, (very original) evolved on Continent A, and eventually spread out to Continent B across the land bridge where they found a species that wasn't present on Continent A. (Comparable in function to a horse) I haven't decided what the terrain is like on the bridge, but I would like to keep both sides of the bridge as grasslands if possible.
Why would these animals exist on only one side of the land bridge rather than both?
science-based biology xenobiology fauna travel
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In my worldbuilding project, 2 continents located on roughly the same latitude are connected by a land bridge. Both sides of the bridge are surrounded by a temperate grassland, and the lack of seasons means the climate is steady year round, so that rules out winter as an option.
The sentient aliens in my world, which I've been calling Not Humans, (very original) evolved on Continent A, and eventually spread out to Continent B across the land bridge where they found a species that wasn't present on Continent A. (Comparable in function to a horse) I haven't decided what the terrain is like on the bridge, but I would like to keep both sides of the bridge as grasslands if possible.
Why would these animals exist on only one side of the land bridge rather than both?
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"Temperate grassland" and "lack of seasons" are mutually incompatible. ("Temperate" means the standard four seasons.) And there are many kinds of terrain which horses cannot easily traverse; for example deserts (horses need an lot of water), terrain infested with the tsetse fly, dense forests, steep mountains, etc. To give an example, horses never crossed from the Eurasian grasslands into the African savannah until they were brought there by humans.
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– AlexP
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Wait...I thought a landbridge is just a bridge made of land, ie a small strip of land, isn't it? Reading some of the other answers I am now confused. They seem to assume a man-made bridge.
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– genesis
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Quick question. How long has the land bridge been open for?
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– Ynneadwraith
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I don't think food or predation are good answers because they just displace the question to a different level of the food chain, i.e. the question simply becomes why food or predators are unable to cross?
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"Temperate grassland" and "lack of seasons" are mutually incompatible. ("Temperate" means the standard four seasons.) And there are many kinds of terrain which horses cannot easily traverse; for example deserts (horses need an lot of water), terrain infested with the tsetse fly, dense forests, steep mountains, etc. To give an example, horses never crossed from the Eurasian grasslands into the African savannah until they were brought there by humans.
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Wait...I thought a landbridge is just a bridge made of land, ie a small strip of land, isn't it? Reading some of the other answers I am now confused. They seem to assume a man-made bridge.
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– genesis
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Quick question. How long has the land bridge been open for?
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– Ynneadwraith
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I don't think food or predation are good answers because they just displace the question to a different level of the food chain, i.e. the question simply becomes why food or predators are unable to cross?
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"Temperate grassland" and "lack of seasons" are mutually incompatible. ("Temperate" means the standard four seasons.) And there are many kinds of terrain which horses cannot easily traverse; for example deserts (horses need an lot of water), terrain infested with the tsetse fly, dense forests, steep mountains, etc. To give an example, horses never crossed from the Eurasian grasslands into the African savannah until they were brought there by humans.
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– AlexP
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"Temperate grassland" and "lack of seasons" are mutually incompatible. ("Temperate" means the standard four seasons.) And there are many kinds of terrain which horses cannot easily traverse; for example deserts (horses need an lot of water), terrain infested with the tsetse fly, dense forests, steep mountains, etc. To give an example, horses never crossed from the Eurasian grasslands into the African savannah until they were brought there by humans.
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Wait...I thought a landbridge is just a bridge made of land, ie a small strip of land, isn't it? Reading some of the other answers I am now confused. They seem to assume a man-made bridge.
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– genesis
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Wait...I thought a landbridge is just a bridge made of land, ie a small strip of land, isn't it? Reading some of the other answers I am now confused. They seem to assume a man-made bridge.
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– genesis
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Quick question. How long has the land bridge been open for?
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– Ynneadwraith
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Quick question. How long has the land bridge been open for?
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– Ynneadwraith
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I don't think food or predation are good answers because they just displace the question to a different level of the food chain, i.e. the question simply becomes why food or predators are unable to cross?
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– Chuck Ramirez
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I don't think food or predation are good answers because they just displace the question to a different level of the food chain, i.e. the question simply becomes why food or predators are unable to cross?
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One obvious answer is that the land bridge itself lacks food.
Nothumans can cross the Bridge because they're smart and pack a lunch. Nothorses can't cross the Bridge because that region lacks fodder for the grass loving megafauna of Continent A to venture through.
Another possibility is utterly ungothroughsome territory. If the Bridge is very low lying & swampy, nothorses won't be able to get through because they'll become mired. Nothumans can pick a path where others fear to tread or can build boats or swampshoes to traverse the Bridge.
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She only want me for my swampshoes. I think I need to cut her loose. Yes I do.
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– Willk
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@willk don't cut her loose above the bog, otherwise it counts as murder. Best case, negligence nomanslaughter and lots of lawyer money.
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The connection between Central America and South America (Darien Gap?) is a swampy wilderness that is extremely difficult to cross. There were many creatures that were exclusively found to the north or to the south.
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– Michael Richardson
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@Willk Horses and swamps don’t mix, remember Neverendering Story? Poor Artax...
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Tides
Many land bridges are often covered by tides, making them only passable at certain times. As the tide comes in, the bridge is covered, it is uncovered again once the tide goes back out.
Perhaps your Nothorses are not smart enough to wait until the tides start to head out before quickly crossing. Your Nothumans on the other hand are smart enough to know when to wait and when to go. There is nothing physically stopping the nothorses from crossing (allowing them to be brought back to the Nothuamn’s continent), its just they are not smart enough to work out when they should cross. If timed wrong, the tides would come in and sweep either Nothorses or Nothumans out to sea.
Alternatively, you could have something like the Giant’s Causeway:
https://www.ireland.com/en-gb/amazing-places/giants-causeway/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway
This was a land bridge that stretched from Ireland to Scotland, its really interesting to look at with all the natural hexagonal rock formations. Not only is it interesting to look at, you’d have a hard time trying to get Nothorses to walk over that. You could pull them across, of course, but i doubt they’d want to walk over it if they didn’t have to, given how uneven and unforgiving the terrain is, especially for a creature of their size.
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To add to your excellent answer, note that there is no reason for Nothorses to enter land lacking grass (food). Nothumans go out of curiosity and they know how to take food with them.
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– Ister
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Note that the giant's causeway never actually formed a land bridge in the past 10 thousand years, even though both "ends" are part of the same lava flow which is what caused the legends.
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Ah, smart. So the land bridge is only traversable if you head out as the tide is retreating. Unless you can work out the pattern of tides and leave at the right point, you will get cut off and swept away. Very clever :)
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Yes, they are the same flow but those flows happened a long time ago. In recorded history and pre-history (i.e. back past the last ice age) there is no evidence that the giant's causeway actually existed as a land bridge. It's just too deep.
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You had me at "natural hexagonal rock formations." Whoa. Those are cool.
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Option 1: Difficulty traversing
As others have posited, perhaps the land bridge is particularly difficult for nothorses to traverse. Horses are pretty well adapted to open, rolling steppe. It wouldn't actually take that much of a change to make it unlikely for them to make the crossing.
Lack of water, swampy territory, heavy woodland, presence of poisonous plants that they're not adapted to (ragwort in real life is deadly to horses), lack of grazing, too much grazing (one of the issues horses have outside of the steppe is the high sugar content of lush European grass, which causes health issues).
Any of these, perhaps dialled up a bit, would do well to restrict their range.
Option 2: Predation
In addition to the other answers about physical land barriers or poisonous flora, predation could also work.
- Continent B has nothorses.
- Continent A has something that thinks nothorses are extremely tasty.
The small numbers of nothorses that make it across the bridge do not survive long enough to establish a stable population. It gets worse for nothorses when their nemesis makes the jump in the other direction, but at least they have a sizeable population already present so they can maintain their numbers more easily while they adapt (or don't, of course).
For a real-world example, you can look at the restrictions to the range of platypodes in Australia. Their range is curtailed to the West of the continent by the larger presence of crocodiles in the East.
Option 3: Time
There are two main ways land-bridges are commonly formed. The first is a collision of two landmasses due to continental drift. This tends to be relatively permanent on a biological timescale. The second is land beneath the waves that is exposed by falling sea levels, which tends to be more transitory.
Perhaps your land bridge is of the latter type, and has only recently become traversible (say, in the past couple of thousand years). It takes time for population pressures to develop and push an animal to expand their current range.
Nothumans, like their human counterparts, are curious. They seem to like exploring. It's likely that they will make the journey across to find new, untapped resources.
Nothorses, however, are not particularly adventurous. If they're anything like actual horses, 'not particularly adventurous' is a sizeable understatement.
There isn't actually anything at all preventing nothorses from moving across the gap. They just haven't yet.
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"It gets worse for nothorses when their nemesis makes the jump in the other direction" begs the question - why hasn't their nemesis already crossed the land bridge? Now we're back to square one.
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@CactusCake No reason they couldn't have. It's just nothorses that we're restricting here, not nothorse-nemeses ;)
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But if nothorsenemeses had already crossed, wouldn't that result in one of the following two scenarios: 1. all the nothorses have been eaten (kinda ruins the story); 2. nothorses are capable of cohabiting with nothorsenemeses (so now we're back to the original question of why haven't they populated both continents). I like the idea in this answer, but I think it could use some fleshing out to detail why nothorsenemeses only constitute a threat to nothorses in continent A and not in continent B, otherwise it exhibits the same mystery (in reverse) that OP's question is trying to reconcile.
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@CactusCake I'm editing the question, but it comes down to local extirpation and time. Nothorses can survive their nemesis when they have a significant enough foothold to maintain their population (enough nothorses survive to repopulate predation). If the land bridge is narrow enough, only small numbers of nothorses will make the journey. This small trickle-feed is not enough to establish a viable population due to predation. These sorts of predator-prey gradients are common in nature (I'll include an example).
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For another real-world example: blogs.discovermagazine.com/science-sushi/2018/08/27/… Around one island, lobsters are abundant, eating up all the mussels and whelks in the area. Around another, lobsters are completely absent: the abundant whelks overwhelm and eat up any lobsters that stray in.
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The terrain of the land bridge is navigable by not-humans, but difficult or unpleasant to traverse by not-horses.
Refer to cattle grids, a man-made structure used to allow humans (and vehicles) to traverse a passageway, but not livestock.
Naturally-occurring, highly-uneven terrain between these two areas might sufficiently dissuade the not-horses from crossing, while still remaining traversable by the not-humans.
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Something similar to this could serve as a reason
In short, during the Cold War, the fence/wall border between the East and West of Europe didn't just separate humans. It also kept the deer apart. Even though today there are no barriers to speak of between these countries and no deer alive today lived through the Cold war, the deer populations refuse to cross the (now imaginary) line.
Taking this and applying it to your case, you could easily have the land bridge once populated with a predatory semi-aquatic species, which wouldn't venture too far inland. This could lead the horse species to avoid the landbridge, even if this predatory species is long gone.
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Canadian bridges
Or whatever the term is under your latitudes (edit: cattle grids). In my native language, it designate a mountain bridge, with a fenced surface (so you can see through it). Cows are deathly afraid of the void and unless being forced, won't cross it. It has been designed to keep livestock in defined area, so it should fit the bill perfectly.
Edit: Ruadhan pointed in the comment that livestock does not cross a cattle grid not because of the void, but because of the shape of the bridge, that would lead their hoove to slip between the bars (and potentially causing injury). I've found conflicting sources online and can't really tell you the main reason. Shape of the bridge is treated in the second option I propose.
TLDR: you can see the void under the bridge and non sentient animals are too afraid to cross it
Note that it also could work with a rope bridge. Horses wouldn't be able to cross it while we have (almost) no problem using one.
Edit: Given the way you have worded the question, I assume the bridge must be as natural as possible. Perhaphs one of the two suggestions above is the result of a specie of vine/climbing plant that somehow thrive above seawater and thus is prolific on your coast, to the point two points bonded over the years. Maybe this seawater vine eat fish. Or need high-concentration of salt/iode/whatever. Who knows?
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For reference, the term 'land bridge' is usually used to denote an area of land that is normally beneath the surface of the sea, but as sea levels drop gets exposed allowing terrestrial animals to traverse it. Some examples during the previous ice age are the Bering land bridge between Eurasia and the Americas, and Doggerland which connected Britain to Europe.
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I was under the impression that a Cattle-grid works because the cow's feet tend to slip between the bars and they find it difficult to walk on, not particularly because they won't walk over a void.
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We have a fair few around my family's farm, cars can traverse a grid separated as far as several inches without issue. Cows definitely could step in the gaps. If it was just the void that was the methodology, the grid would probably be more of a mesh than a series of metal bars with wide gaps that risk injury if an animal actually stepped on them.
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@Ruadhan Thanks for pointing that out. If I remember, I'll look into it later and edit accordingly.
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@Ruadhan there are painted cattle grids. Cows are smart enough to know they'll fall into a real cattle grid, but not that they won't fall into a fake one.
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The animals are particularly susceptible to radiation poisoning (causing sterility at low levels). The background radiation on the bridge is unusually high due to an large scale natural nuclear reactor that has been pushed to the surface with recent geologic uplift.
The same explanation could apply to other naturally occurring toxins.
Toxins could also take the form of a terrible smell, or sound, etc. that affects the animals but not other species.
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- Some plant which exists on the other side, not very noticeable to humans but toxic to the horses. Or turn it around something they need in their diet.
- A reason which possibly doesn't exist anymore, like an extinct predator, but the horses learned to leave their home because of it, possibly using the magnetic field to judge where that is.
- No reason to expand. If the population of the horses is controlled by something other than the supply of food and space they might not have had any reason to move.
...I'll try to think of more later.
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I can think of two realistic ways.
the land bridge is very new, human will notice the change before anything else, it will take a great deal of time for animals to exploit it. Humans explore for exporations sake.
the bridge is not so much a bridge as a chain of islands, human on canoe can jump from island to island with ease but other animals will have a much harder time, and the larger the animals are the longer it will take.
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The most believable way is to base it on real horses (our horses? actual horses?)
Why would these animals exist on only one side of the land bridge rather than both?
Because the land bridge contains a terrain similar to a staircase.
It is pretty easy to get a horse up a flight of stairs, but extremely difficult to coax them down a flight of steps.
Horses are strong swimmers, so you'll want to make the land bridge long and you'll want very rough water in the area.You could also make it so there are bits of ocean to cross with a nasty current due to tidal forces - only between tides would it be relatively calm (but not actually calm).
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- Maybe some marsh land on their side to keep the non-horses from even getting very close. Or even a slight slope that goes from high to low tide (in elevation) which means no vegetation (food) for a few hundred yards would keep them further from the land bridge.
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HOW:
Walace's Line.
Essentially, your continents may have been separated in the past, but due to lowering tides have become connected via this land bridge in more recent history.
Disclaimer: Someone more knowledgable may be able to expand on specific climate-related science to assist with Worldbuilding a cause for your Wallace Line. My answer addresses the effect of such a boundary.
The Merriam-Webster definition:
...hypothetical boundary that separates the highly distinctive faunas of the Asian and Australian biogeographic regions...
(Emphasis mine.)
A massive trench divided these regions, preventing any natural formation of land bridges for the duration of that era. In short, this led to differences in the land animals that populated these landmasses.
WHY:
Your landbridge may have formed well after the evolution of your not-horses, and so they have evolved in one location but were not found on the former continent, initially, for this reason.
Your landbridge was crossed by not-humans when it became available to them
Not-horses did not cross because they didn't immediately have any evolutionary pressures to
Fitting to their nature, they stayed in their region.
Your nothumans, also fitting to their respective nature, are perhaps curious beyond any evolutionary pressures, and were accordingly quick to explore beyond them. (They can have had any number of reasons to explore, in fact)
If your not-horses are not unusally intelligent, as your not-humans would be, they are likely content with their familiar and robust territory.
Address the differences in the organisms you are comparing, as you have created them, and you have any number of causes for behaviour stemming from these traits and characteristics! Humans as we know them are curious, while horses may be safe, coy or timid.
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Alergic Flora
The animals could be allergic to a type of flora that thrives either along coastlines or along the specific geographical conditions of the land bridge (ex. high coastal winds, tides, salt, brine). This condition could surround both continents as well if the animals don't spend much time near the coast.
Technological Advantage
If the humanoids have primitive sailing technology, then perhaps the land bridge is impassable for all species, and the humanoids crossed by sailing along the coastline.
Predators
Perhaps there are particularly viscous predators that inhabit the land bridge or the waters nearby. The humanoids can use fire or other technology to fend off the predators, but the animals are largely helpless against them. Could be large birds like Rocs that nest in the cliffs or sea monsters.
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One obvious answer is that the land bridge itself lacks food.
Nothumans can cross the Bridge because they're smart and pack a lunch. Nothorses can't cross the Bridge because that region lacks fodder for the grass loving megafauna of Continent A to venture through.
Another possibility is utterly ungothroughsome territory. If the Bridge is very low lying & swampy, nothorses won't be able to get through because they'll become mired. Nothumans can pick a path where others fear to tread or can build boats or swampshoes to traverse the Bridge.
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She only want me for my swampshoes. I think I need to cut her loose. Yes I do.
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– Willk
14 hours ago
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@willk don't cut her loose above the bog, otherwise it counts as murder. Best case, negligence nomanslaughter and lots of lawyer money.
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– John Dvorak
12 hours ago
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The connection between Central America and South America (Darien Gap?) is a swampy wilderness that is extremely difficult to cross. There were many creatures that were exclusively found to the north or to the south.
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– Michael Richardson
12 hours ago
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@Willk Horses and swamps don’t mix, remember Neverendering Story? Poor Artax...
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– Liam Morris
10 hours ago
add a comment |
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One obvious answer is that the land bridge itself lacks food.
Nothumans can cross the Bridge because they're smart and pack a lunch. Nothorses can't cross the Bridge because that region lacks fodder for the grass loving megafauna of Continent A to venture through.
Another possibility is utterly ungothroughsome territory. If the Bridge is very low lying & swampy, nothorses won't be able to get through because they'll become mired. Nothumans can pick a path where others fear to tread or can build boats or swampshoes to traverse the Bridge.
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She only want me for my swampshoes. I think I need to cut her loose. Yes I do.
$endgroup$
– Willk
14 hours ago
1
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@willk don't cut her loose above the bog, otherwise it counts as murder. Best case, negligence nomanslaughter and lots of lawyer money.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
12 hours ago
8
$begingroup$
The connection between Central America and South America (Darien Gap?) is a swampy wilderness that is extremely difficult to cross. There were many creatures that were exclusively found to the north or to the south.
$endgroup$
– Michael Richardson
12 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
@Willk Horses and swamps don’t mix, remember Neverendering Story? Poor Artax...
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– Liam Morris
10 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
One obvious answer is that the land bridge itself lacks food.
Nothumans can cross the Bridge because they're smart and pack a lunch. Nothorses can't cross the Bridge because that region lacks fodder for the grass loving megafauna of Continent A to venture through.
Another possibility is utterly ungothroughsome territory. If the Bridge is very low lying & swampy, nothorses won't be able to get through because they'll become mired. Nothumans can pick a path where others fear to tread or can build boats or swampshoes to traverse the Bridge.
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One obvious answer is that the land bridge itself lacks food.
Nothumans can cross the Bridge because they're smart and pack a lunch. Nothorses can't cross the Bridge because that region lacks fodder for the grass loving megafauna of Continent A to venture through.
Another possibility is utterly ungothroughsome territory. If the Bridge is very low lying & swampy, nothorses won't be able to get through because they'll become mired. Nothumans can pick a path where others fear to tread or can build boats or swampshoes to traverse the Bridge.
answered 14 hours ago
elemtilaselemtilas
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She only want me for my swampshoes. I think I need to cut her loose. Yes I do.
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– Willk
14 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
@willk don't cut her loose above the bog, otherwise it counts as murder. Best case, negligence nomanslaughter and lots of lawyer money.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
12 hours ago
8
$begingroup$
The connection between Central America and South America (Darien Gap?) is a swampy wilderness that is extremely difficult to cross. There were many creatures that were exclusively found to the north or to the south.
$endgroup$
– Michael Richardson
12 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
@Willk Horses and swamps don’t mix, remember Neverendering Story? Poor Artax...
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– Liam Morris
10 hours ago
add a comment |
1
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She only want me for my swampshoes. I think I need to cut her loose. Yes I do.
$endgroup$
– Willk
14 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
@willk don't cut her loose above the bog, otherwise it counts as murder. Best case, negligence nomanslaughter and lots of lawyer money.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
12 hours ago
8
$begingroup$
The connection between Central America and South America (Darien Gap?) is a swampy wilderness that is extremely difficult to cross. There were many creatures that were exclusively found to the north or to the south.
$endgroup$
– Michael Richardson
12 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
@Willk Horses and swamps don’t mix, remember Neverendering Story? Poor Artax...
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– Liam Morris
10 hours ago
1
1
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She only want me for my swampshoes. I think I need to cut her loose. Yes I do.
$endgroup$
– Willk
14 hours ago
$begingroup$
She only want me for my swampshoes. I think I need to cut her loose. Yes I do.
$endgroup$
– Willk
14 hours ago
1
1
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@willk don't cut her loose above the bog, otherwise it counts as murder. Best case, negligence nomanslaughter and lots of lawyer money.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
12 hours ago
$begingroup$
@willk don't cut her loose above the bog, otherwise it counts as murder. Best case, negligence nomanslaughter and lots of lawyer money.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
12 hours ago
8
8
$begingroup$
The connection between Central America and South America (Darien Gap?) is a swampy wilderness that is extremely difficult to cross. There were many creatures that were exclusively found to the north or to the south.
$endgroup$
– Michael Richardson
12 hours ago
$begingroup$
The connection between Central America and South America (Darien Gap?) is a swampy wilderness that is extremely difficult to cross. There were many creatures that were exclusively found to the north or to the south.
$endgroup$
– Michael Richardson
12 hours ago
2
2
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@Willk Horses and swamps don’t mix, remember Neverendering Story? Poor Artax...
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– Liam Morris
10 hours ago
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@Willk Horses and swamps don’t mix, remember Neverendering Story? Poor Artax...
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– Liam Morris
10 hours ago
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Tides
Many land bridges are often covered by tides, making them only passable at certain times. As the tide comes in, the bridge is covered, it is uncovered again once the tide goes back out.
Perhaps your Nothorses are not smart enough to wait until the tides start to head out before quickly crossing. Your Nothumans on the other hand are smart enough to know when to wait and when to go. There is nothing physically stopping the nothorses from crossing (allowing them to be brought back to the Nothuamn’s continent), its just they are not smart enough to work out when they should cross. If timed wrong, the tides would come in and sweep either Nothorses or Nothumans out to sea.
Alternatively, you could have something like the Giant’s Causeway:
https://www.ireland.com/en-gb/amazing-places/giants-causeway/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway
This was a land bridge that stretched from Ireland to Scotland, its really interesting to look at with all the natural hexagonal rock formations. Not only is it interesting to look at, you’d have a hard time trying to get Nothorses to walk over that. You could pull them across, of course, but i doubt they’d want to walk over it if they didn’t have to, given how uneven and unforgiving the terrain is, especially for a creature of their size.
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To add to your excellent answer, note that there is no reason for Nothorses to enter land lacking grass (food). Nothumans go out of curiosity and they know how to take food with them.
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– Ister
13 hours ago
1
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Note that the giant's causeway never actually formed a land bridge in the past 10 thousand years, even though both "ends" are part of the same lava flow which is what caused the legends.
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– Tim B♦
12 hours ago
2
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Ah, smart. So the land bridge is only traversable if you head out as the tide is retreating. Unless you can work out the pattern of tides and leave at the right point, you will get cut off and swept away. Very clever :)
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– Ynneadwraith
11 hours ago
1
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Yes, they are the same flow but those flows happened a long time ago. In recorded history and pre-history (i.e. back past the last ice age) there is no evidence that the giant's causeway actually existed as a land bridge. It's just too deep.
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– Tim B♦
11 hours ago
1
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You had me at "natural hexagonal rock formations." Whoa. Those are cool.
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– Cyn
7 hours ago
|
show 5 more comments
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Tides
Many land bridges are often covered by tides, making them only passable at certain times. As the tide comes in, the bridge is covered, it is uncovered again once the tide goes back out.
Perhaps your Nothorses are not smart enough to wait until the tides start to head out before quickly crossing. Your Nothumans on the other hand are smart enough to know when to wait and when to go. There is nothing physically stopping the nothorses from crossing (allowing them to be brought back to the Nothuamn’s continent), its just they are not smart enough to work out when they should cross. If timed wrong, the tides would come in and sweep either Nothorses or Nothumans out to sea.
Alternatively, you could have something like the Giant’s Causeway:
https://www.ireland.com/en-gb/amazing-places/giants-causeway/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway
This was a land bridge that stretched from Ireland to Scotland, its really interesting to look at with all the natural hexagonal rock formations. Not only is it interesting to look at, you’d have a hard time trying to get Nothorses to walk over that. You could pull them across, of course, but i doubt they’d want to walk over it if they didn’t have to, given how uneven and unforgiving the terrain is, especially for a creature of their size.
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To add to your excellent answer, note that there is no reason for Nothorses to enter land lacking grass (food). Nothumans go out of curiosity and they know how to take food with them.
$endgroup$
– Ister
13 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Note that the giant's causeway never actually formed a land bridge in the past 10 thousand years, even though both "ends" are part of the same lava flow which is what caused the legends.
$endgroup$
– Tim B♦
12 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
Ah, smart. So the land bridge is only traversable if you head out as the tide is retreating. Unless you can work out the pattern of tides and leave at the right point, you will get cut off and swept away. Very clever :)
$endgroup$
– Ynneadwraith
11 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Yes, they are the same flow but those flows happened a long time ago. In recorded history and pre-history (i.e. back past the last ice age) there is no evidence that the giant's causeway actually existed as a land bridge. It's just too deep.
$endgroup$
– Tim B♦
11 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
You had me at "natural hexagonal rock formations." Whoa. Those are cool.
$endgroup$
– Cyn
7 hours ago
|
show 5 more comments
$begingroup$
Tides
Many land bridges are often covered by tides, making them only passable at certain times. As the tide comes in, the bridge is covered, it is uncovered again once the tide goes back out.
Perhaps your Nothorses are not smart enough to wait until the tides start to head out before quickly crossing. Your Nothumans on the other hand are smart enough to know when to wait and when to go. There is nothing physically stopping the nothorses from crossing (allowing them to be brought back to the Nothuamn’s continent), its just they are not smart enough to work out when they should cross. If timed wrong, the tides would come in and sweep either Nothorses or Nothumans out to sea.
Alternatively, you could have something like the Giant’s Causeway:
https://www.ireland.com/en-gb/amazing-places/giants-causeway/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway
This was a land bridge that stretched from Ireland to Scotland, its really interesting to look at with all the natural hexagonal rock formations. Not only is it interesting to look at, you’d have a hard time trying to get Nothorses to walk over that. You could pull them across, of course, but i doubt they’d want to walk over it if they didn’t have to, given how uneven and unforgiving the terrain is, especially for a creature of their size.
$endgroup$
Tides
Many land bridges are often covered by tides, making them only passable at certain times. As the tide comes in, the bridge is covered, it is uncovered again once the tide goes back out.
Perhaps your Nothorses are not smart enough to wait until the tides start to head out before quickly crossing. Your Nothumans on the other hand are smart enough to know when to wait and when to go. There is nothing physically stopping the nothorses from crossing (allowing them to be brought back to the Nothuamn’s continent), its just they are not smart enough to work out when they should cross. If timed wrong, the tides would come in and sweep either Nothorses or Nothumans out to sea.
Alternatively, you could have something like the Giant’s Causeway:
https://www.ireland.com/en-gb/amazing-places/giants-causeway/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway
This was a land bridge that stretched from Ireland to Scotland, its really interesting to look at with all the natural hexagonal rock formations. Not only is it interesting to look at, you’d have a hard time trying to get Nothorses to walk over that. You could pull them across, of course, but i doubt they’d want to walk over it if they didn’t have to, given how uneven and unforgiving the terrain is, especially for a creature of their size.
answered 13 hours ago
Liam MorrisLiam Morris
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To add to your excellent answer, note that there is no reason for Nothorses to enter land lacking grass (food). Nothumans go out of curiosity and they know how to take food with them.
$endgroup$
– Ister
13 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Note that the giant's causeway never actually formed a land bridge in the past 10 thousand years, even though both "ends" are part of the same lava flow which is what caused the legends.
$endgroup$
– Tim B♦
12 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
Ah, smart. So the land bridge is only traversable if you head out as the tide is retreating. Unless you can work out the pattern of tides and leave at the right point, you will get cut off and swept away. Very clever :)
$endgroup$
– Ynneadwraith
11 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Yes, they are the same flow but those flows happened a long time ago. In recorded history and pre-history (i.e. back past the last ice age) there is no evidence that the giant's causeway actually existed as a land bridge. It's just too deep.
$endgroup$
– Tim B♦
11 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
You had me at "natural hexagonal rock formations." Whoa. Those are cool.
$endgroup$
– Cyn
7 hours ago
|
show 5 more comments
6
$begingroup$
To add to your excellent answer, note that there is no reason for Nothorses to enter land lacking grass (food). Nothumans go out of curiosity and they know how to take food with them.
$endgroup$
– Ister
13 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Note that the giant's causeway never actually formed a land bridge in the past 10 thousand years, even though both "ends" are part of the same lava flow which is what caused the legends.
$endgroup$
– Tim B♦
12 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
Ah, smart. So the land bridge is only traversable if you head out as the tide is retreating. Unless you can work out the pattern of tides and leave at the right point, you will get cut off and swept away. Very clever :)
$endgroup$
– Ynneadwraith
11 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Yes, they are the same flow but those flows happened a long time ago. In recorded history and pre-history (i.e. back past the last ice age) there is no evidence that the giant's causeway actually existed as a land bridge. It's just too deep.
$endgroup$
– Tim B♦
11 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
You had me at "natural hexagonal rock formations." Whoa. Those are cool.
$endgroup$
– Cyn
7 hours ago
6
6
$begingroup$
To add to your excellent answer, note that there is no reason for Nothorses to enter land lacking grass (food). Nothumans go out of curiosity and they know how to take food with them.
$endgroup$
– Ister
13 hours ago
$begingroup$
To add to your excellent answer, note that there is no reason for Nothorses to enter land lacking grass (food). Nothumans go out of curiosity and they know how to take food with them.
$endgroup$
– Ister
13 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
Note that the giant's causeway never actually formed a land bridge in the past 10 thousand years, even though both "ends" are part of the same lava flow which is what caused the legends.
$endgroup$
– Tim B♦
12 hours ago
$begingroup$
Note that the giant's causeway never actually formed a land bridge in the past 10 thousand years, even though both "ends" are part of the same lava flow which is what caused the legends.
$endgroup$
– Tim B♦
12 hours ago
2
2
$begingroup$
Ah, smart. So the land bridge is only traversable if you head out as the tide is retreating. Unless you can work out the pattern of tides and leave at the right point, you will get cut off and swept away. Very clever :)
$endgroup$
– Ynneadwraith
11 hours ago
$begingroup$
Ah, smart. So the land bridge is only traversable if you head out as the tide is retreating. Unless you can work out the pattern of tides and leave at the right point, you will get cut off and swept away. Very clever :)
$endgroup$
– Ynneadwraith
11 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
Yes, they are the same flow but those flows happened a long time ago. In recorded history and pre-history (i.e. back past the last ice age) there is no evidence that the giant's causeway actually existed as a land bridge. It's just too deep.
$endgroup$
– Tim B♦
11 hours ago
$begingroup$
Yes, they are the same flow but those flows happened a long time ago. In recorded history and pre-history (i.e. back past the last ice age) there is no evidence that the giant's causeway actually existed as a land bridge. It's just too deep.
$endgroup$
– Tim B♦
11 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
You had me at "natural hexagonal rock formations." Whoa. Those are cool.
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– Cyn
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
You had me at "natural hexagonal rock formations." Whoa. Those are cool.
$endgroup$
– Cyn
7 hours ago
|
show 5 more comments
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Option 1: Difficulty traversing
As others have posited, perhaps the land bridge is particularly difficult for nothorses to traverse. Horses are pretty well adapted to open, rolling steppe. It wouldn't actually take that much of a change to make it unlikely for them to make the crossing.
Lack of water, swampy territory, heavy woodland, presence of poisonous plants that they're not adapted to (ragwort in real life is deadly to horses), lack of grazing, too much grazing (one of the issues horses have outside of the steppe is the high sugar content of lush European grass, which causes health issues).
Any of these, perhaps dialled up a bit, would do well to restrict their range.
Option 2: Predation
In addition to the other answers about physical land barriers or poisonous flora, predation could also work.
- Continent B has nothorses.
- Continent A has something that thinks nothorses are extremely tasty.
The small numbers of nothorses that make it across the bridge do not survive long enough to establish a stable population. It gets worse for nothorses when their nemesis makes the jump in the other direction, but at least they have a sizeable population already present so they can maintain their numbers more easily while they adapt (or don't, of course).
For a real-world example, you can look at the restrictions to the range of platypodes in Australia. Their range is curtailed to the West of the continent by the larger presence of crocodiles in the East.
Option 3: Time
There are two main ways land-bridges are commonly formed. The first is a collision of two landmasses due to continental drift. This tends to be relatively permanent on a biological timescale. The second is land beneath the waves that is exposed by falling sea levels, which tends to be more transitory.
Perhaps your land bridge is of the latter type, and has only recently become traversible (say, in the past couple of thousand years). It takes time for population pressures to develop and push an animal to expand their current range.
Nothumans, like their human counterparts, are curious. They seem to like exploring. It's likely that they will make the journey across to find new, untapped resources.
Nothorses, however, are not particularly adventurous. If they're anything like actual horses, 'not particularly adventurous' is a sizeable understatement.
There isn't actually anything at all preventing nothorses from moving across the gap. They just haven't yet.
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"It gets worse for nothorses when their nemesis makes the jump in the other direction" begs the question - why hasn't their nemesis already crossed the land bridge? Now we're back to square one.
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– CactusCake
11 hours ago
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@CactusCake No reason they couldn't have. It's just nothorses that we're restricting here, not nothorse-nemeses ;)
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– Ynneadwraith
11 hours ago
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But if nothorsenemeses had already crossed, wouldn't that result in one of the following two scenarios: 1. all the nothorses have been eaten (kinda ruins the story); 2. nothorses are capable of cohabiting with nothorsenemeses (so now we're back to the original question of why haven't they populated both continents). I like the idea in this answer, but I think it could use some fleshing out to detail why nothorsenemeses only constitute a threat to nothorses in continent A and not in continent B, otherwise it exhibits the same mystery (in reverse) that OP's question is trying to reconcile.
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– CactusCake
11 hours ago
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@CactusCake I'm editing the question, but it comes down to local extirpation and time. Nothorses can survive their nemesis when they have a significant enough foothold to maintain their population (enough nothorses survive to repopulate predation). If the land bridge is narrow enough, only small numbers of nothorses will make the journey. This small trickle-feed is not enough to establish a viable population due to predation. These sorts of predator-prey gradients are common in nature (I'll include an example).
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– Ynneadwraith
11 hours ago
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For another real-world example: blogs.discovermagazine.com/science-sushi/2018/08/27/… Around one island, lobsters are abundant, eating up all the mussels and whelks in the area. Around another, lobsters are completely absent: the abundant whelks overwhelm and eat up any lobsters that stray in.
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– Timbo
6 hours ago
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Option 1: Difficulty traversing
As others have posited, perhaps the land bridge is particularly difficult for nothorses to traverse. Horses are pretty well adapted to open, rolling steppe. It wouldn't actually take that much of a change to make it unlikely for them to make the crossing.
Lack of water, swampy territory, heavy woodland, presence of poisonous plants that they're not adapted to (ragwort in real life is deadly to horses), lack of grazing, too much grazing (one of the issues horses have outside of the steppe is the high sugar content of lush European grass, which causes health issues).
Any of these, perhaps dialled up a bit, would do well to restrict their range.
Option 2: Predation
In addition to the other answers about physical land barriers or poisonous flora, predation could also work.
- Continent B has nothorses.
- Continent A has something that thinks nothorses are extremely tasty.
The small numbers of nothorses that make it across the bridge do not survive long enough to establish a stable population. It gets worse for nothorses when their nemesis makes the jump in the other direction, but at least they have a sizeable population already present so they can maintain their numbers more easily while they adapt (or don't, of course).
For a real-world example, you can look at the restrictions to the range of platypodes in Australia. Their range is curtailed to the West of the continent by the larger presence of crocodiles in the East.
Option 3: Time
There are two main ways land-bridges are commonly formed. The first is a collision of two landmasses due to continental drift. This tends to be relatively permanent on a biological timescale. The second is land beneath the waves that is exposed by falling sea levels, which tends to be more transitory.
Perhaps your land bridge is of the latter type, and has only recently become traversible (say, in the past couple of thousand years). It takes time for population pressures to develop and push an animal to expand their current range.
Nothumans, like their human counterparts, are curious. They seem to like exploring. It's likely that they will make the journey across to find new, untapped resources.
Nothorses, however, are not particularly adventurous. If they're anything like actual horses, 'not particularly adventurous' is a sizeable understatement.
There isn't actually anything at all preventing nothorses from moving across the gap. They just haven't yet.
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"It gets worse for nothorses when their nemesis makes the jump in the other direction" begs the question - why hasn't their nemesis already crossed the land bridge? Now we're back to square one.
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– CactusCake
11 hours ago
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@CactusCake No reason they couldn't have. It's just nothorses that we're restricting here, not nothorse-nemeses ;)
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– Ynneadwraith
11 hours ago
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But if nothorsenemeses had already crossed, wouldn't that result in one of the following two scenarios: 1. all the nothorses have been eaten (kinda ruins the story); 2. nothorses are capable of cohabiting with nothorsenemeses (so now we're back to the original question of why haven't they populated both continents). I like the idea in this answer, but I think it could use some fleshing out to detail why nothorsenemeses only constitute a threat to nothorses in continent A and not in continent B, otherwise it exhibits the same mystery (in reverse) that OP's question is trying to reconcile.
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– CactusCake
11 hours ago
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@CactusCake I'm editing the question, but it comes down to local extirpation and time. Nothorses can survive their nemesis when they have a significant enough foothold to maintain their population (enough nothorses survive to repopulate predation). If the land bridge is narrow enough, only small numbers of nothorses will make the journey. This small trickle-feed is not enough to establish a viable population due to predation. These sorts of predator-prey gradients are common in nature (I'll include an example).
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– Ynneadwraith
11 hours ago
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For another real-world example: blogs.discovermagazine.com/science-sushi/2018/08/27/… Around one island, lobsters are abundant, eating up all the mussels and whelks in the area. Around another, lobsters are completely absent: the abundant whelks overwhelm and eat up any lobsters that stray in.
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Option 1: Difficulty traversing
As others have posited, perhaps the land bridge is particularly difficult for nothorses to traverse. Horses are pretty well adapted to open, rolling steppe. It wouldn't actually take that much of a change to make it unlikely for them to make the crossing.
Lack of water, swampy territory, heavy woodland, presence of poisonous plants that they're not adapted to (ragwort in real life is deadly to horses), lack of grazing, too much grazing (one of the issues horses have outside of the steppe is the high sugar content of lush European grass, which causes health issues).
Any of these, perhaps dialled up a bit, would do well to restrict their range.
Option 2: Predation
In addition to the other answers about physical land barriers or poisonous flora, predation could also work.
- Continent B has nothorses.
- Continent A has something that thinks nothorses are extremely tasty.
The small numbers of nothorses that make it across the bridge do not survive long enough to establish a stable population. It gets worse for nothorses when their nemesis makes the jump in the other direction, but at least they have a sizeable population already present so they can maintain their numbers more easily while they adapt (or don't, of course).
For a real-world example, you can look at the restrictions to the range of platypodes in Australia. Their range is curtailed to the West of the continent by the larger presence of crocodiles in the East.
Option 3: Time
There are two main ways land-bridges are commonly formed. The first is a collision of two landmasses due to continental drift. This tends to be relatively permanent on a biological timescale. The second is land beneath the waves that is exposed by falling sea levels, which tends to be more transitory.
Perhaps your land bridge is of the latter type, and has only recently become traversible (say, in the past couple of thousand years). It takes time for population pressures to develop and push an animal to expand their current range.
Nothumans, like their human counterparts, are curious. They seem to like exploring. It's likely that they will make the journey across to find new, untapped resources.
Nothorses, however, are not particularly adventurous. If they're anything like actual horses, 'not particularly adventurous' is a sizeable understatement.
There isn't actually anything at all preventing nothorses from moving across the gap. They just haven't yet.
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Option 1: Difficulty traversing
As others have posited, perhaps the land bridge is particularly difficult for nothorses to traverse. Horses are pretty well adapted to open, rolling steppe. It wouldn't actually take that much of a change to make it unlikely for them to make the crossing.
Lack of water, swampy territory, heavy woodland, presence of poisonous plants that they're not adapted to (ragwort in real life is deadly to horses), lack of grazing, too much grazing (one of the issues horses have outside of the steppe is the high sugar content of lush European grass, which causes health issues).
Any of these, perhaps dialled up a bit, would do well to restrict their range.
Option 2: Predation
In addition to the other answers about physical land barriers or poisonous flora, predation could also work.
- Continent B has nothorses.
- Continent A has something that thinks nothorses are extremely tasty.
The small numbers of nothorses that make it across the bridge do not survive long enough to establish a stable population. It gets worse for nothorses when their nemesis makes the jump in the other direction, but at least they have a sizeable population already present so they can maintain their numbers more easily while they adapt (or don't, of course).
For a real-world example, you can look at the restrictions to the range of platypodes in Australia. Their range is curtailed to the West of the continent by the larger presence of crocodiles in the East.
Option 3: Time
There are two main ways land-bridges are commonly formed. The first is a collision of two landmasses due to continental drift. This tends to be relatively permanent on a biological timescale. The second is land beneath the waves that is exposed by falling sea levels, which tends to be more transitory.
Perhaps your land bridge is of the latter type, and has only recently become traversible (say, in the past couple of thousand years). It takes time for population pressures to develop and push an animal to expand their current range.
Nothumans, like their human counterparts, are curious. They seem to like exploring. It's likely that they will make the journey across to find new, untapped resources.
Nothorses, however, are not particularly adventurous. If they're anything like actual horses, 'not particularly adventurous' is a sizeable understatement.
There isn't actually anything at all preventing nothorses from moving across the gap. They just haven't yet.
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"It gets worse for nothorses when their nemesis makes the jump in the other direction" begs the question - why hasn't their nemesis already crossed the land bridge? Now we're back to square one.
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– CactusCake
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@CactusCake No reason they couldn't have. It's just nothorses that we're restricting here, not nothorse-nemeses ;)
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– Ynneadwraith
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But if nothorsenemeses had already crossed, wouldn't that result in one of the following two scenarios: 1. all the nothorses have been eaten (kinda ruins the story); 2. nothorses are capable of cohabiting with nothorsenemeses (so now we're back to the original question of why haven't they populated both continents). I like the idea in this answer, but I think it could use some fleshing out to detail why nothorsenemeses only constitute a threat to nothorses in continent A and not in continent B, otherwise it exhibits the same mystery (in reverse) that OP's question is trying to reconcile.
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@CactusCake I'm editing the question, but it comes down to local extirpation and time. Nothorses can survive their nemesis when they have a significant enough foothold to maintain their population (enough nothorses survive to repopulate predation). If the land bridge is narrow enough, only small numbers of nothorses will make the journey. This small trickle-feed is not enough to establish a viable population due to predation. These sorts of predator-prey gradients are common in nature (I'll include an example).
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– Ynneadwraith
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For another real-world example: blogs.discovermagazine.com/science-sushi/2018/08/27/… Around one island, lobsters are abundant, eating up all the mussels and whelks in the area. Around another, lobsters are completely absent: the abundant whelks overwhelm and eat up any lobsters that stray in.
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– Timbo
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"It gets worse for nothorses when their nemesis makes the jump in the other direction" begs the question - why hasn't their nemesis already crossed the land bridge? Now we're back to square one.
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– CactusCake
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@CactusCake No reason they couldn't have. It's just nothorses that we're restricting here, not nothorse-nemeses ;)
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– Ynneadwraith
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But if nothorsenemeses had already crossed, wouldn't that result in one of the following two scenarios: 1. all the nothorses have been eaten (kinda ruins the story); 2. nothorses are capable of cohabiting with nothorsenemeses (so now we're back to the original question of why haven't they populated both continents). I like the idea in this answer, but I think it could use some fleshing out to detail why nothorsenemeses only constitute a threat to nothorses in continent A and not in continent B, otherwise it exhibits the same mystery (in reverse) that OP's question is trying to reconcile.
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– CactusCake
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@CactusCake I'm editing the question, but it comes down to local extirpation and time. Nothorses can survive their nemesis when they have a significant enough foothold to maintain their population (enough nothorses survive to repopulate predation). If the land bridge is narrow enough, only small numbers of nothorses will make the journey. This small trickle-feed is not enough to establish a viable population due to predation. These sorts of predator-prey gradients are common in nature (I'll include an example).
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– Ynneadwraith
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For another real-world example: blogs.discovermagazine.com/science-sushi/2018/08/27/… Around one island, lobsters are abundant, eating up all the mussels and whelks in the area. Around another, lobsters are completely absent: the abundant whelks overwhelm and eat up any lobsters that stray in.
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– Timbo
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"It gets worse for nothorses when their nemesis makes the jump in the other direction" begs the question - why hasn't their nemesis already crossed the land bridge? Now we're back to square one.
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– CactusCake
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"It gets worse for nothorses when their nemesis makes the jump in the other direction" begs the question - why hasn't their nemesis already crossed the land bridge? Now we're back to square one.
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– CactusCake
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@CactusCake No reason they couldn't have. It's just nothorses that we're restricting here, not nothorse-nemeses ;)
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– Ynneadwraith
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@CactusCake No reason they couldn't have. It's just nothorses that we're restricting here, not nothorse-nemeses ;)
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– Ynneadwraith
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But if nothorsenemeses had already crossed, wouldn't that result in one of the following two scenarios: 1. all the nothorses have been eaten (kinda ruins the story); 2. nothorses are capable of cohabiting with nothorsenemeses (so now we're back to the original question of why haven't they populated both continents). I like the idea in this answer, but I think it could use some fleshing out to detail why nothorsenemeses only constitute a threat to nothorses in continent A and not in continent B, otherwise it exhibits the same mystery (in reverse) that OP's question is trying to reconcile.
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– CactusCake
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But if nothorsenemeses had already crossed, wouldn't that result in one of the following two scenarios: 1. all the nothorses have been eaten (kinda ruins the story); 2. nothorses are capable of cohabiting with nothorsenemeses (so now we're back to the original question of why haven't they populated both continents). I like the idea in this answer, but I think it could use some fleshing out to detail why nothorsenemeses only constitute a threat to nothorses in continent A and not in continent B, otherwise it exhibits the same mystery (in reverse) that OP's question is trying to reconcile.
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– CactusCake
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@CactusCake I'm editing the question, but it comes down to local extirpation and time. Nothorses can survive their nemesis when they have a significant enough foothold to maintain their population (enough nothorses survive to repopulate predation). If the land bridge is narrow enough, only small numbers of nothorses will make the journey. This small trickle-feed is not enough to establish a viable population due to predation. These sorts of predator-prey gradients are common in nature (I'll include an example).
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– Ynneadwraith
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@CactusCake I'm editing the question, but it comes down to local extirpation and time. Nothorses can survive their nemesis when they have a significant enough foothold to maintain their population (enough nothorses survive to repopulate predation). If the land bridge is narrow enough, only small numbers of nothorses will make the journey. This small trickle-feed is not enough to establish a viable population due to predation. These sorts of predator-prey gradients are common in nature (I'll include an example).
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– Ynneadwraith
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For another real-world example: blogs.discovermagazine.com/science-sushi/2018/08/27/… Around one island, lobsters are abundant, eating up all the mussels and whelks in the area. Around another, lobsters are completely absent: the abundant whelks overwhelm and eat up any lobsters that stray in.
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– Timbo
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For another real-world example: blogs.discovermagazine.com/science-sushi/2018/08/27/… Around one island, lobsters are abundant, eating up all the mussels and whelks in the area. Around another, lobsters are completely absent: the abundant whelks overwhelm and eat up any lobsters that stray in.
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The terrain of the land bridge is navigable by not-humans, but difficult or unpleasant to traverse by not-horses.
Refer to cattle grids, a man-made structure used to allow humans (and vehicles) to traverse a passageway, but not livestock.
Naturally-occurring, highly-uneven terrain between these two areas might sufficiently dissuade the not-horses from crossing, while still remaining traversable by the not-humans.
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The terrain of the land bridge is navigable by not-humans, but difficult or unpleasant to traverse by not-horses.
Refer to cattle grids, a man-made structure used to allow humans (and vehicles) to traverse a passageway, but not livestock.
Naturally-occurring, highly-uneven terrain between these two areas might sufficiently dissuade the not-horses from crossing, while still remaining traversable by the not-humans.
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The terrain of the land bridge is navigable by not-humans, but difficult or unpleasant to traverse by not-horses.
Refer to cattle grids, a man-made structure used to allow humans (and vehicles) to traverse a passageway, but not livestock.
Naturally-occurring, highly-uneven terrain between these two areas might sufficiently dissuade the not-horses from crossing, while still remaining traversable by the not-humans.
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The terrain of the land bridge is navigable by not-humans, but difficult or unpleasant to traverse by not-horses.
Refer to cattle grids, a man-made structure used to allow humans (and vehicles) to traverse a passageway, but not livestock.
Naturally-occurring, highly-uneven terrain between these two areas might sufficiently dissuade the not-horses from crossing, while still remaining traversable by the not-humans.
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Something similar to this could serve as a reason
In short, during the Cold War, the fence/wall border between the East and West of Europe didn't just separate humans. It also kept the deer apart. Even though today there are no barriers to speak of between these countries and no deer alive today lived through the Cold war, the deer populations refuse to cross the (now imaginary) line.
Taking this and applying it to your case, you could easily have the land bridge once populated with a predatory semi-aquatic species, which wouldn't venture too far inland. This could lead the horse species to avoid the landbridge, even if this predatory species is long gone.
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Something similar to this could serve as a reason
In short, during the Cold War, the fence/wall border between the East and West of Europe didn't just separate humans. It also kept the deer apart. Even though today there are no barriers to speak of between these countries and no deer alive today lived through the Cold war, the deer populations refuse to cross the (now imaginary) line.
Taking this and applying it to your case, you could easily have the land bridge once populated with a predatory semi-aquatic species, which wouldn't venture too far inland. This could lead the horse species to avoid the landbridge, even if this predatory species is long gone.
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Something similar to this could serve as a reason
In short, during the Cold War, the fence/wall border between the East and West of Europe didn't just separate humans. It also kept the deer apart. Even though today there are no barriers to speak of between these countries and no deer alive today lived through the Cold war, the deer populations refuse to cross the (now imaginary) line.
Taking this and applying it to your case, you could easily have the land bridge once populated with a predatory semi-aquatic species, which wouldn't venture too far inland. This could lead the horse species to avoid the landbridge, even if this predatory species is long gone.
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Something similar to this could serve as a reason
In short, during the Cold War, the fence/wall border between the East and West of Europe didn't just separate humans. It also kept the deer apart. Even though today there are no barriers to speak of between these countries and no deer alive today lived through the Cold war, the deer populations refuse to cross the (now imaginary) line.
Taking this and applying it to your case, you could easily have the land bridge once populated with a predatory semi-aquatic species, which wouldn't venture too far inland. This could lead the horse species to avoid the landbridge, even if this predatory species is long gone.
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Canadian bridges
Or whatever the term is under your latitudes (edit: cattle grids). In my native language, it designate a mountain bridge, with a fenced surface (so you can see through it). Cows are deathly afraid of the void and unless being forced, won't cross it. It has been designed to keep livestock in defined area, so it should fit the bill perfectly.
Edit: Ruadhan pointed in the comment that livestock does not cross a cattle grid not because of the void, but because of the shape of the bridge, that would lead their hoove to slip between the bars (and potentially causing injury). I've found conflicting sources online and can't really tell you the main reason. Shape of the bridge is treated in the second option I propose.
TLDR: you can see the void under the bridge and non sentient animals are too afraid to cross it
Note that it also could work with a rope bridge. Horses wouldn't be able to cross it while we have (almost) no problem using one.
Edit: Given the way you have worded the question, I assume the bridge must be as natural as possible. Perhaphs one of the two suggestions above is the result of a specie of vine/climbing plant that somehow thrive above seawater and thus is prolific on your coast, to the point two points bonded over the years. Maybe this seawater vine eat fish. Or need high-concentration of salt/iode/whatever. Who knows?
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For reference, the term 'land bridge' is usually used to denote an area of land that is normally beneath the surface of the sea, but as sea levels drop gets exposed allowing terrestrial animals to traverse it. Some examples during the previous ice age are the Bering land bridge between Eurasia and the Americas, and Doggerland which connected Britain to Europe.
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I was under the impression that a Cattle-grid works because the cow's feet tend to slip between the bars and they find it difficult to walk on, not particularly because they won't walk over a void.
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– Ruadhan
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We have a fair few around my family's farm, cars can traverse a grid separated as far as several inches without issue. Cows definitely could step in the gaps. If it was just the void that was the methodology, the grid would probably be more of a mesh than a series of metal bars with wide gaps that risk injury if an animal actually stepped on them.
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– Ruadhan
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@Ruadhan Thanks for pointing that out. If I remember, I'll look into it later and edit accordingly.
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– Nyakouai
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@Ruadhan there are painted cattle grids. Cows are smart enough to know they'll fall into a real cattle grid, but not that they won't fall into a fake one.
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– Random832
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Canadian bridges
Or whatever the term is under your latitudes (edit: cattle grids). In my native language, it designate a mountain bridge, with a fenced surface (so you can see through it). Cows are deathly afraid of the void and unless being forced, won't cross it. It has been designed to keep livestock in defined area, so it should fit the bill perfectly.
Edit: Ruadhan pointed in the comment that livestock does not cross a cattle grid not because of the void, but because of the shape of the bridge, that would lead their hoove to slip between the bars (and potentially causing injury). I've found conflicting sources online and can't really tell you the main reason. Shape of the bridge is treated in the second option I propose.
TLDR: you can see the void under the bridge and non sentient animals are too afraid to cross it
Note that it also could work with a rope bridge. Horses wouldn't be able to cross it while we have (almost) no problem using one.
Edit: Given the way you have worded the question, I assume the bridge must be as natural as possible. Perhaphs one of the two suggestions above is the result of a specie of vine/climbing plant that somehow thrive above seawater and thus is prolific on your coast, to the point two points bonded over the years. Maybe this seawater vine eat fish. Or need high-concentration of salt/iode/whatever. Who knows?
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For reference, the term 'land bridge' is usually used to denote an area of land that is normally beneath the surface of the sea, but as sea levels drop gets exposed allowing terrestrial animals to traverse it. Some examples during the previous ice age are the Bering land bridge between Eurasia and the Americas, and Doggerland which connected Britain to Europe.
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– Ynneadwraith
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I was under the impression that a Cattle-grid works because the cow's feet tend to slip between the bars and they find it difficult to walk on, not particularly because they won't walk over a void.
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– Ruadhan
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We have a fair few around my family's farm, cars can traverse a grid separated as far as several inches without issue. Cows definitely could step in the gaps. If it was just the void that was the methodology, the grid would probably be more of a mesh than a series of metal bars with wide gaps that risk injury if an animal actually stepped on them.
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– Ruadhan
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@Ruadhan Thanks for pointing that out. If I remember, I'll look into it later and edit accordingly.
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– Nyakouai
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@Ruadhan there are painted cattle grids. Cows are smart enough to know they'll fall into a real cattle grid, but not that they won't fall into a fake one.
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– Random832
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Canadian bridges
Or whatever the term is under your latitudes (edit: cattle grids). In my native language, it designate a mountain bridge, with a fenced surface (so you can see through it). Cows are deathly afraid of the void and unless being forced, won't cross it. It has been designed to keep livestock in defined area, so it should fit the bill perfectly.
Edit: Ruadhan pointed in the comment that livestock does not cross a cattle grid not because of the void, but because of the shape of the bridge, that would lead their hoove to slip between the bars (and potentially causing injury). I've found conflicting sources online and can't really tell you the main reason. Shape of the bridge is treated in the second option I propose.
TLDR: you can see the void under the bridge and non sentient animals are too afraid to cross it
Note that it also could work with a rope bridge. Horses wouldn't be able to cross it while we have (almost) no problem using one.
Edit: Given the way you have worded the question, I assume the bridge must be as natural as possible. Perhaphs one of the two suggestions above is the result of a specie of vine/climbing plant that somehow thrive above seawater and thus is prolific on your coast, to the point two points bonded over the years. Maybe this seawater vine eat fish. Or need high-concentration of salt/iode/whatever. Who knows?
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Canadian bridges
Or whatever the term is under your latitudes (edit: cattle grids). In my native language, it designate a mountain bridge, with a fenced surface (so you can see through it). Cows are deathly afraid of the void and unless being forced, won't cross it. It has been designed to keep livestock in defined area, so it should fit the bill perfectly.
Edit: Ruadhan pointed in the comment that livestock does not cross a cattle grid not because of the void, but because of the shape of the bridge, that would lead their hoove to slip between the bars (and potentially causing injury). I've found conflicting sources online and can't really tell you the main reason. Shape of the bridge is treated in the second option I propose.
TLDR: you can see the void under the bridge and non sentient animals are too afraid to cross it
Note that it also could work with a rope bridge. Horses wouldn't be able to cross it while we have (almost) no problem using one.
Edit: Given the way you have worded the question, I assume the bridge must be as natural as possible. Perhaphs one of the two suggestions above is the result of a specie of vine/climbing plant that somehow thrive above seawater and thus is prolific on your coast, to the point two points bonded over the years. Maybe this seawater vine eat fish. Or need high-concentration of salt/iode/whatever. Who knows?
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For reference, the term 'land bridge' is usually used to denote an area of land that is normally beneath the surface of the sea, but as sea levels drop gets exposed allowing terrestrial animals to traverse it. Some examples during the previous ice age are the Bering land bridge between Eurasia and the Americas, and Doggerland which connected Britain to Europe.
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– Ynneadwraith
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I was under the impression that a Cattle-grid works because the cow's feet tend to slip between the bars and they find it difficult to walk on, not particularly because they won't walk over a void.
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– Ruadhan
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We have a fair few around my family's farm, cars can traverse a grid separated as far as several inches without issue. Cows definitely could step in the gaps. If it was just the void that was the methodology, the grid would probably be more of a mesh than a series of metal bars with wide gaps that risk injury if an animal actually stepped on them.
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@Ruadhan Thanks for pointing that out. If I remember, I'll look into it later and edit accordingly.
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@Ruadhan there are painted cattle grids. Cows are smart enough to know they'll fall into a real cattle grid, but not that they won't fall into a fake one.
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– Random832
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For reference, the term 'land bridge' is usually used to denote an area of land that is normally beneath the surface of the sea, but as sea levels drop gets exposed allowing terrestrial animals to traverse it. Some examples during the previous ice age are the Bering land bridge between Eurasia and the Americas, and Doggerland which connected Britain to Europe.
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– Ynneadwraith
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I was under the impression that a Cattle-grid works because the cow's feet tend to slip between the bars and they find it difficult to walk on, not particularly because they won't walk over a void.
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– Ruadhan
12 hours ago
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We have a fair few around my family's farm, cars can traverse a grid separated as far as several inches without issue. Cows definitely could step in the gaps. If it was just the void that was the methodology, the grid would probably be more of a mesh than a series of metal bars with wide gaps that risk injury if an animal actually stepped on them.
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– Ruadhan
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@Ruadhan Thanks for pointing that out. If I remember, I'll look into it later and edit accordingly.
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– Nyakouai
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@Ruadhan there are painted cattle grids. Cows are smart enough to know they'll fall into a real cattle grid, but not that they won't fall into a fake one.
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– Random832
10 hours ago
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For reference, the term 'land bridge' is usually used to denote an area of land that is normally beneath the surface of the sea, but as sea levels drop gets exposed allowing terrestrial animals to traverse it. Some examples during the previous ice age are the Bering land bridge between Eurasia and the Americas, and Doggerland which connected Britain to Europe.
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– Ynneadwraith
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For reference, the term 'land bridge' is usually used to denote an area of land that is normally beneath the surface of the sea, but as sea levels drop gets exposed allowing terrestrial animals to traverse it. Some examples during the previous ice age are the Bering land bridge between Eurasia and the Americas, and Doggerland which connected Britain to Europe.
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– Ynneadwraith
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I was under the impression that a Cattle-grid works because the cow's feet tend to slip between the bars and they find it difficult to walk on, not particularly because they won't walk over a void.
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– Ruadhan
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I was under the impression that a Cattle-grid works because the cow's feet tend to slip between the bars and they find it difficult to walk on, not particularly because they won't walk over a void.
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– Ruadhan
12 hours ago
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We have a fair few around my family's farm, cars can traverse a grid separated as far as several inches without issue. Cows definitely could step in the gaps. If it was just the void that was the methodology, the grid would probably be more of a mesh than a series of metal bars with wide gaps that risk injury if an animal actually stepped on them.
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– Ruadhan
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We have a fair few around my family's farm, cars can traverse a grid separated as far as several inches without issue. Cows definitely could step in the gaps. If it was just the void that was the methodology, the grid would probably be more of a mesh than a series of metal bars with wide gaps that risk injury if an animal actually stepped on them.
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@Ruadhan Thanks for pointing that out. If I remember, I'll look into it later and edit accordingly.
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@Ruadhan Thanks for pointing that out. If I remember, I'll look into it later and edit accordingly.
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@Ruadhan there are painted cattle grids. Cows are smart enough to know they'll fall into a real cattle grid, but not that they won't fall into a fake one.
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– Random832
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@Ruadhan there are painted cattle grids. Cows are smart enough to know they'll fall into a real cattle grid, but not that they won't fall into a fake one.
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The animals are particularly susceptible to radiation poisoning (causing sterility at low levels). The background radiation on the bridge is unusually high due to an large scale natural nuclear reactor that has been pushed to the surface with recent geologic uplift.
The same explanation could apply to other naturally occurring toxins.
Toxins could also take the form of a terrible smell, or sound, etc. that affects the animals but not other species.
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The animals are particularly susceptible to radiation poisoning (causing sterility at low levels). The background radiation on the bridge is unusually high due to an large scale natural nuclear reactor that has been pushed to the surface with recent geologic uplift.
The same explanation could apply to other naturally occurring toxins.
Toxins could also take the form of a terrible smell, or sound, etc. that affects the animals but not other species.
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The animals are particularly susceptible to radiation poisoning (causing sterility at low levels). The background radiation on the bridge is unusually high due to an large scale natural nuclear reactor that has been pushed to the surface with recent geologic uplift.
The same explanation could apply to other naturally occurring toxins.
Toxins could also take the form of a terrible smell, or sound, etc. that affects the animals but not other species.
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The animals are particularly susceptible to radiation poisoning (causing sterility at low levels). The background radiation on the bridge is unusually high due to an large scale natural nuclear reactor that has been pushed to the surface with recent geologic uplift.
The same explanation could apply to other naturally occurring toxins.
Toxins could also take the form of a terrible smell, or sound, etc. that affects the animals but not other species.
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- Some plant which exists on the other side, not very noticeable to humans but toxic to the horses. Or turn it around something they need in their diet.
- A reason which possibly doesn't exist anymore, like an extinct predator, but the horses learned to leave their home because of it, possibly using the magnetic field to judge where that is.
- No reason to expand. If the population of the horses is controlled by something other than the supply of food and space they might not have had any reason to move.
...I'll try to think of more later.
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- Some plant which exists on the other side, not very noticeable to humans but toxic to the horses. Or turn it around something they need in their diet.
- A reason which possibly doesn't exist anymore, like an extinct predator, but the horses learned to leave their home because of it, possibly using the magnetic field to judge where that is.
- No reason to expand. If the population of the horses is controlled by something other than the supply of food and space they might not have had any reason to move.
...I'll try to think of more later.
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- Some plant which exists on the other side, not very noticeable to humans but toxic to the horses. Or turn it around something they need in their diet.
- A reason which possibly doesn't exist anymore, like an extinct predator, but the horses learned to leave their home because of it, possibly using the magnetic field to judge where that is.
- No reason to expand. If the population of the horses is controlled by something other than the supply of food and space they might not have had any reason to move.
...I'll try to think of more later.
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- Some plant which exists on the other side, not very noticeable to humans but toxic to the horses. Or turn it around something they need in their diet.
- A reason which possibly doesn't exist anymore, like an extinct predator, but the horses learned to leave their home because of it, possibly using the magnetic field to judge where that is.
- No reason to expand. If the population of the horses is controlled by something other than the supply of food and space they might not have had any reason to move.
...I'll try to think of more later.
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I can think of two realistic ways.
the land bridge is very new, human will notice the change before anything else, it will take a great deal of time for animals to exploit it. Humans explore for exporations sake.
the bridge is not so much a bridge as a chain of islands, human on canoe can jump from island to island with ease but other animals will have a much harder time, and the larger the animals are the longer it will take.
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I can think of two realistic ways.
the land bridge is very new, human will notice the change before anything else, it will take a great deal of time for animals to exploit it. Humans explore for exporations sake.
the bridge is not so much a bridge as a chain of islands, human on canoe can jump from island to island with ease but other animals will have a much harder time, and the larger the animals are the longer it will take.
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I can think of two realistic ways.
the land bridge is very new, human will notice the change before anything else, it will take a great deal of time for animals to exploit it. Humans explore for exporations sake.
the bridge is not so much a bridge as a chain of islands, human on canoe can jump from island to island with ease but other animals will have a much harder time, and the larger the animals are the longer it will take.
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I can think of two realistic ways.
the land bridge is very new, human will notice the change before anything else, it will take a great deal of time for animals to exploit it. Humans explore for exporations sake.
the bridge is not so much a bridge as a chain of islands, human on canoe can jump from island to island with ease but other animals will have a much harder time, and the larger the animals are the longer it will take.
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The most believable way is to base it on real horses (our horses? actual horses?)
Why would these animals exist on only one side of the land bridge rather than both?
Because the land bridge contains a terrain similar to a staircase.
It is pretty easy to get a horse up a flight of stairs, but extremely difficult to coax them down a flight of steps.
Horses are strong swimmers, so you'll want to make the land bridge long and you'll want very rough water in the area.You could also make it so there are bits of ocean to cross with a nasty current due to tidal forces - only between tides would it be relatively calm (but not actually calm).
+--+ +---
| | | | +-+ Continant B
+--------------+ Continent A | | +----+ | | | +-----------------+
+--------------+ +-----+ | | | | | |
Sea-level-high-tide-------+ | +--+ | | | +---+ +-------High tide--
| | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | |
Sea level low tide--------------------------------------------------------+-+-----------Low tide---
| | | | +------+ | | | |
+----+ | | | | | |
+-------+ +-+ +---+
- Maybe some marsh land on their side to keep the non-horses from even getting very close. Or even a slight slope that goes from high to low tide (in elevation) which means no vegetation (food) for a few hundred yards would keep them further from the land bridge.
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The most believable way is to base it on real horses (our horses? actual horses?)
Why would these animals exist on only one side of the land bridge rather than both?
Because the land bridge contains a terrain similar to a staircase.
It is pretty easy to get a horse up a flight of stairs, but extremely difficult to coax them down a flight of steps.
Horses are strong swimmers, so you'll want to make the land bridge long and you'll want very rough water in the area.You could also make it so there are bits of ocean to cross with a nasty current due to tidal forces - only between tides would it be relatively calm (but not actually calm).
+--+ +---
| | | | +-+ Continant B
+--------------+ Continent A | | +----+ | | | +-----------------+
+--------------+ +-----+ | | | | | |
Sea-level-high-tide-------+ | +--+ | | | +---+ +-------High tide--
| | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | |
Sea level low tide--------------------------------------------------------+-+-----------Low tide---
| | | | +------+ | | | |
+----+ | | | | | |
+-------+ +-+ +---+
- Maybe some marsh land on their side to keep the non-horses from even getting very close. Or even a slight slope that goes from high to low tide (in elevation) which means no vegetation (food) for a few hundred yards would keep them further from the land bridge.
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The most believable way is to base it on real horses (our horses? actual horses?)
Why would these animals exist on only one side of the land bridge rather than both?
Because the land bridge contains a terrain similar to a staircase.
It is pretty easy to get a horse up a flight of stairs, but extremely difficult to coax them down a flight of steps.
Horses are strong swimmers, so you'll want to make the land bridge long and you'll want very rough water in the area.You could also make it so there are bits of ocean to cross with a nasty current due to tidal forces - only between tides would it be relatively calm (but not actually calm).
+--+ +---
| | | | +-+ Continant B
+--------------+ Continent A | | +----+ | | | +-----------------+
+--------------+ +-----+ | | | | | |
Sea-level-high-tide-------+ | +--+ | | | +---+ +-------High tide--
| | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | |
Sea level low tide--------------------------------------------------------+-+-----------Low tide---
| | | | +------+ | | | |
+----+ | | | | | |
+-------+ +-+ +---+
- Maybe some marsh land on their side to keep the non-horses from even getting very close. Or even a slight slope that goes from high to low tide (in elevation) which means no vegetation (food) for a few hundred yards would keep them further from the land bridge.
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The most believable way is to base it on real horses (our horses? actual horses?)
Why would these animals exist on only one side of the land bridge rather than both?
Because the land bridge contains a terrain similar to a staircase.
It is pretty easy to get a horse up a flight of stairs, but extremely difficult to coax them down a flight of steps.
Horses are strong swimmers, so you'll want to make the land bridge long and you'll want very rough water in the area.You could also make it so there are bits of ocean to cross with a nasty current due to tidal forces - only between tides would it be relatively calm (but not actually calm).
+--+ +---
| | | | +-+ Continant B
+--------------+ Continent A | | +----+ | | | +-----------------+
+--------------+ +-----+ | | | | | |
Sea-level-high-tide-------+ | +--+ | | | +---+ +-------High tide--
| | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | |
Sea level low tide--------------------------------------------------------+-+-----------Low tide---
| | | | +------+ | | | |
+----+ | | | | | |
+-------+ +-+ +---+
- Maybe some marsh land on their side to keep the non-horses from even getting very close. Or even a slight slope that goes from high to low tide (in elevation) which means no vegetation (food) for a few hundred yards would keep them further from the land bridge.
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HOW:
Walace's Line.
Essentially, your continents may have been separated in the past, but due to lowering tides have become connected via this land bridge in more recent history.
Disclaimer: Someone more knowledgable may be able to expand on specific climate-related science to assist with Worldbuilding a cause for your Wallace Line. My answer addresses the effect of such a boundary.
The Merriam-Webster definition:
...hypothetical boundary that separates the highly distinctive faunas of the Asian and Australian biogeographic regions...
(Emphasis mine.)
A massive trench divided these regions, preventing any natural formation of land bridges for the duration of that era. In short, this led to differences in the land animals that populated these landmasses.
WHY:
Your landbridge may have formed well after the evolution of your not-horses, and so they have evolved in one location but were not found on the former continent, initially, for this reason.
Your landbridge was crossed by not-humans when it became available to them
Not-horses did not cross because they didn't immediately have any evolutionary pressures to
Fitting to their nature, they stayed in their region.
Your nothumans, also fitting to their respective nature, are perhaps curious beyond any evolutionary pressures, and were accordingly quick to explore beyond them. (They can have had any number of reasons to explore, in fact)
If your not-horses are not unusally intelligent, as your not-humans would be, they are likely content with their familiar and robust territory.
Address the differences in the organisms you are comparing, as you have created them, and you have any number of causes for behaviour stemming from these traits and characteristics! Humans as we know them are curious, while horses may be safe, coy or timid.
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HOW:
Walace's Line.
Essentially, your continents may have been separated in the past, but due to lowering tides have become connected via this land bridge in more recent history.
Disclaimer: Someone more knowledgable may be able to expand on specific climate-related science to assist with Worldbuilding a cause for your Wallace Line. My answer addresses the effect of such a boundary.
The Merriam-Webster definition:
...hypothetical boundary that separates the highly distinctive faunas of the Asian and Australian biogeographic regions...
(Emphasis mine.)
A massive trench divided these regions, preventing any natural formation of land bridges for the duration of that era. In short, this led to differences in the land animals that populated these landmasses.
WHY:
Your landbridge may have formed well after the evolution of your not-horses, and so they have evolved in one location but were not found on the former continent, initially, for this reason.
Your landbridge was crossed by not-humans when it became available to them
Not-horses did not cross because they didn't immediately have any evolutionary pressures to
Fitting to their nature, they stayed in their region.
Your nothumans, also fitting to their respective nature, are perhaps curious beyond any evolutionary pressures, and were accordingly quick to explore beyond them. (They can have had any number of reasons to explore, in fact)
If your not-horses are not unusally intelligent, as your not-humans would be, they are likely content with their familiar and robust territory.
Address the differences in the organisms you are comparing, as you have created them, and you have any number of causes for behaviour stemming from these traits and characteristics! Humans as we know them are curious, while horses may be safe, coy or timid.
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HOW:
Walace's Line.
Essentially, your continents may have been separated in the past, but due to lowering tides have become connected via this land bridge in more recent history.
Disclaimer: Someone more knowledgable may be able to expand on specific climate-related science to assist with Worldbuilding a cause for your Wallace Line. My answer addresses the effect of such a boundary.
The Merriam-Webster definition:
...hypothetical boundary that separates the highly distinctive faunas of the Asian and Australian biogeographic regions...
(Emphasis mine.)
A massive trench divided these regions, preventing any natural formation of land bridges for the duration of that era. In short, this led to differences in the land animals that populated these landmasses.
WHY:
Your landbridge may have formed well after the evolution of your not-horses, and so they have evolved in one location but were not found on the former continent, initially, for this reason.
Your landbridge was crossed by not-humans when it became available to them
Not-horses did not cross because they didn't immediately have any evolutionary pressures to
Fitting to their nature, they stayed in their region.
Your nothumans, also fitting to their respective nature, are perhaps curious beyond any evolutionary pressures, and were accordingly quick to explore beyond them. (They can have had any number of reasons to explore, in fact)
If your not-horses are not unusally intelligent, as your not-humans would be, they are likely content with their familiar and robust territory.
Address the differences in the organisms you are comparing, as you have created them, and you have any number of causes for behaviour stemming from these traits and characteristics! Humans as we know them are curious, while horses may be safe, coy or timid.
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HOW:
Walace's Line.
Essentially, your continents may have been separated in the past, but due to lowering tides have become connected via this land bridge in more recent history.
Disclaimer: Someone more knowledgable may be able to expand on specific climate-related science to assist with Worldbuilding a cause for your Wallace Line. My answer addresses the effect of such a boundary.
The Merriam-Webster definition:
...hypothetical boundary that separates the highly distinctive faunas of the Asian and Australian biogeographic regions...
(Emphasis mine.)
A massive trench divided these regions, preventing any natural formation of land bridges for the duration of that era. In short, this led to differences in the land animals that populated these landmasses.
WHY:
Your landbridge may have formed well after the evolution of your not-horses, and so they have evolved in one location but were not found on the former continent, initially, for this reason.
Your landbridge was crossed by not-humans when it became available to them
Not-horses did not cross because they didn't immediately have any evolutionary pressures to
Fitting to their nature, they stayed in their region.
Your nothumans, also fitting to their respective nature, are perhaps curious beyond any evolutionary pressures, and were accordingly quick to explore beyond them. (They can have had any number of reasons to explore, in fact)
If your not-horses are not unusally intelligent, as your not-humans would be, they are likely content with their familiar and robust territory.
Address the differences in the organisms you are comparing, as you have created them, and you have any number of causes for behaviour stemming from these traits and characteristics! Humans as we know them are curious, while horses may be safe, coy or timid.
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Alergic Flora
The animals could be allergic to a type of flora that thrives either along coastlines or along the specific geographical conditions of the land bridge (ex. high coastal winds, tides, salt, brine). This condition could surround both continents as well if the animals don't spend much time near the coast.
Technological Advantage
If the humanoids have primitive sailing technology, then perhaps the land bridge is impassable for all species, and the humanoids crossed by sailing along the coastline.
Predators
Perhaps there are particularly viscous predators that inhabit the land bridge or the waters nearby. The humanoids can use fire or other technology to fend off the predators, but the animals are largely helpless against them. Could be large birds like Rocs that nest in the cliffs or sea monsters.
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Alergic Flora
The animals could be allergic to a type of flora that thrives either along coastlines or along the specific geographical conditions of the land bridge (ex. high coastal winds, tides, salt, brine). This condition could surround both continents as well if the animals don't spend much time near the coast.
Technological Advantage
If the humanoids have primitive sailing technology, then perhaps the land bridge is impassable for all species, and the humanoids crossed by sailing along the coastline.
Predators
Perhaps there are particularly viscous predators that inhabit the land bridge or the waters nearby. The humanoids can use fire or other technology to fend off the predators, but the animals are largely helpless against them. Could be large birds like Rocs that nest in the cliffs or sea monsters.
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Alergic Flora
The animals could be allergic to a type of flora that thrives either along coastlines or along the specific geographical conditions of the land bridge (ex. high coastal winds, tides, salt, brine). This condition could surround both continents as well if the animals don't spend much time near the coast.
Technological Advantage
If the humanoids have primitive sailing technology, then perhaps the land bridge is impassable for all species, and the humanoids crossed by sailing along the coastline.
Predators
Perhaps there are particularly viscous predators that inhabit the land bridge or the waters nearby. The humanoids can use fire or other technology to fend off the predators, but the animals are largely helpless against them. Could be large birds like Rocs that nest in the cliffs or sea monsters.
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Alergic Flora
The animals could be allergic to a type of flora that thrives either along coastlines or along the specific geographical conditions of the land bridge (ex. high coastal winds, tides, salt, brine). This condition could surround both continents as well if the animals don't spend much time near the coast.
Technological Advantage
If the humanoids have primitive sailing technology, then perhaps the land bridge is impassable for all species, and the humanoids crossed by sailing along the coastline.
Predators
Perhaps there are particularly viscous predators that inhabit the land bridge or the waters nearby. The humanoids can use fire or other technology to fend off the predators, but the animals are largely helpless against them. Could be large birds like Rocs that nest in the cliffs or sea monsters.
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"Temperate grassland" and "lack of seasons" are mutually incompatible. ("Temperate" means the standard four seasons.) And there are many kinds of terrain which horses cannot easily traverse; for example deserts (horses need an lot of water), terrain infested with the tsetse fly, dense forests, steep mountains, etc. To give an example, horses never crossed from the Eurasian grasslands into the African savannah until they were brought there by humans.
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– AlexP
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Wait...I thought a landbridge is just a bridge made of land, ie a small strip of land, isn't it? Reading some of the other answers I am now confused. They seem to assume a man-made bridge.
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– genesis
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Quick question. How long has the land bridge been open for?
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– Ynneadwraith
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I don't think food or predation are good answers because they just displace the question to a different level of the food chain, i.e. the question simply becomes why food or predators are unable to cross?
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– Chuck Ramirez
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